Welcome to your Body. Remembers pleasure. I'm your host, Rahi Chun. This podcast is devoted to sexual embodiment, intimacy, and the body's innate capacity to heal, feel, and remember pleasure. If something here resonates with you, you're welcome to explore more writings and resources@rahichun.com. And now let's begin.  Our first interview with Stina Ene. Three years ago in season one, generated the most downloads of any organic sexuality podcast episode, and focused on the incredible benefits of prostate massage. And what guided them to create the pioneering prosthetic portal. Consider this episode a part two, Astina and Asim Return to guide us through the process of a first time prostate massage, both for the receiver and for the giver.

Valuable considerations of what to expect and how the sacred process unfolds. Their pioneering work and training now includes an online course for prostate owners and for their partners to explore in the privacy of their own home and in their own time.

I am really excited to invite back to the podcast, Stina and em. It's pretty rare to have guests come back to the podcast, but one, it's been three years since our first interview and the first interview that we did on the prosthetic portal, they're pioneering. Work on prostate health Massage and pleasure was the most downloaded episode amongst in the whole podcast series.

I think there's close to 3000 downloads, so clearly there is a curiosity and an interest in prostate health, prostate pleasure and prostate massage. So I wanted to have them back on so we could do a part two and build on it. Stina Asim, thank you for joining the podcast again. Oh, I'm so excited that we can go deeper together with you on this topic.

Wonderful. I love going deeper. Okay. And we, yeah. Given this is prostate massage, we must go deeper. We could. We must go as deep as we can. Let me, yes. Let me introduce Stina and Asim to our audience. So Stina is a holistic body therapist, a midwife, an integral sexologist specializing in sexual health for all genders, working with de arming and healing sexual trauma, birth trauma, prostate health.

She facilitates workshops and trainings all around Europe and is based in Denmark and Holland. A same sacred fire is a tantric body worker, shamanic practitioner, and energetic healer. Educated in koala tantra, core shamanism Lumi, massage, energetic healing and tarot. Asim facilitates sessions, workshops, and ceremonies in a blend of tantra yoga and shamanism.

Also in Copenhagen and is originally from the Netherlands. For listeners who have not. Heard the first podcast. Please do again, it was the most popular podcast and we covered a lot of wonderful information. Specifically how the prosthetic portal draws on the depths of wisdom from a wide variety of cultural traditions involving somatic psychology, physiology, sexuality, and tantra.

It, it's a really holistic and complete exploration of health pleasure and the spiritual benefits of. This incredible gateway, which is the prostate in the body. We talked about how the tissue of the womb and uterus is the same tissue that makes up the male prostate. And as such, holds unintegrated issues and emotions relating to un birthed dreams, purpose and intentions for prostate owners.

We talked about the wide range of health benefits including increasing blood flow, draining toxins, softening muscles and ligaments relieving lower back pain. Everything from alleviating enlarged prostates, which cause frequent ur urination to how to separate orgasm from ejaculation leading to Multiorgasmic states of being.

It's no surprise that it was such a popular podcast. I thought today Stina and em, we could focus on really helping the listeners understand what the process is as you guys, I consider the two of you the foremost experts in the world regarding prostate health and massage, and I think it would be helpful for listeners to.

Understand, like what it's like to go through a prostate of prostate massage, what to go through the process of prostate massage. So how do you guys prepare clients or students mentally, emotionally and physically to get to prepare for a prostate massage? And what are the most important steps as you guide them through this deep and sacred and profound experience?

I think first and foremost, like really we like to call it the fear of the fart talk. Like when we have this the workshops and also with clients actually really making it quite transparent and open exactly what is gonna happen on a very practical level. Because there are so many unspoken fears and anxiety about going to this place, both for the giver, but very much for the receiver.

There's so many taboos about having that area of your body touched, especially the anus ho Mobic fear. There can be so many things that can be in the back side of the mind. But it's so vulnerable to share in a group or even being on one-on-one with me. I think the feedback we get in a lot of workshops is wow, you make it so sound so natural and so like safe.

Like I really feared all these things and it was just nothing like it to go there with you. Yeah. So especially all the shame that can be around it. The, so we try to bypass that by being very practical and also, and Okay. And if it smells, but it won't smell so.

And yeah. So to make it to mention it, and it's take takes away the fears. And the shames that are hidden in in sight. Yeah, the persons try to make some jokes and make it a little bit funny once in a while as well and yeah. Yeah. I think that's so wise because I'm sure people who've never had a finger in their anus or prostate massage.

It's so great to just get it all out in the open. You're actually pulling out what they're thinking or what they're afraid of, and the unconscious so that the fears are out, so it doesn't have to be a fear anymore. So things like taboo around the anus fears about being dirty or smelly.

Fears about, like you said, homo homophobic fears, all of that. That's great. How, what have you found to be important as far as like Downregulating, the client's nervous system to actually be receptive to that part of the body? 'cause it's such a sensitive, vulnerable part of the body.

Yeah, I, we developed a specific breathwork for that. Ah, that is like really like stepping on of knowledge of the tantric world and then, and also the vagal theories. Of like, how can we. Regulate our nervous system because that part of the body is really the one part that really tenses up a lot when we're in the sympathetic.

And a lot of these muscle groups that we are indirectly or directly touching is not really like letting go and surrendering in that mode. So however we can support people to more in the esthetic state of the nervous system. Is is something we designed a specific breathwork that we call the anal flower breath.

Wow. And, yeah. So that can be used for so many other things than prostate massage, but we just really customize it. Customize, it specifically for prostate massage. That's terrific. It's so interesting because when the body feels, fear or a threat of security, it is the anus that clinches, and here you are entering that very area that's used to clenching.

So yeah, it sounds yeah, it sounds tailoring this breath work is really a key to preparing the body for this entry. And then we talk a lot about like the goal orientated experience. Like obviously a lot of people receiving prostate massages are male. And that like the goal orientated approach to things is quite dominant once in a while.

So we really speak a lot into, you have to let go of a goal to experience this and having that part of your body letting go and going into surrender. Yeah, that's part of the, that's part of relaxing the whole nervous system. If someone's fixated on a goal, they're gonna be not particularly present to all of the sensations and what's actually happening in their body in the moment.

Yeah, and that's also what we see when we do the workshops and also work with client, if there's any hint of performance in it. It doesn't really work. Very well. Because then there's a goal again. So it's really inviting, like a real complete surrender to receiving, which is so unlike a lot of I guess masculine kind of ways of moving in the world.

It's really teaching men to really get in touch with their inner feminine, if you will and be in a receptive mode. Yeah. Yeah. Because when and to make it specific to when men ha having sex, they are in contraction. So when men are head, they're thrusting their lingham. And so they, they have this.

Contraction. Even though that they, they don't, they're conscious of not having a goal. Still. You are in in you, you keep having control. And what is very special about prostate massage is that you. You don't you surrender that that control to somebody else. And then you can come, only then you can come to, to receive pleasure from the prostate.

Otherwise you keep being too contracted. Yeah, it's really fascinating because the male body is so used to being the doer or the penetrator or the thruster, that it's almost like unconscious, like the body's memory is almost so used to doing that, really being entered for a pro, like receiving, being receptive is, can be a whole new experience for the body and for the body's psyche.

I, I mentioned this in the first interview. I just, I became so much more sensitive and I think a better lover, but sensitive and empathic to how vulnerable it is to receive after starting after my first prostate massage. So I'd love to, I'd love to take our audience, our listeners, like through a prostate process of prostate massage.

The breath work that's tailored to relax the body, to downregulate the nervous system sounds really beautiful. And then. When you first make contact with the external sphincter or the mouth of the anus what is, how do you guide couples or how do you facilitate that process?

Because that could be. For a lot of bodies the first time they're receiving a finger in the area. Yeah. I think like when we guide the massage we start even before the anus. Like we guide people into different techniques or releasing tension in the pelvic because we believe that it's not only like working with the prostate is not only working directly on the prostate.

It's very much working on all the structures that are holding the prostate. That has a very deep impact on the prostate. So we just like really start with going slowly towards the area and we guide them into this breath and we guide them into slowness. And we guide them into, maybe in this experience you will only work on the anus.

You might not even get to the prostate. Like constantly trying to take the goal out of the experience and be present with what is. And that's also we made a quote of ourselves in the online prosthetic portal program, is that the prosthetic portal is not gonna give you what you want.

It's gonna give you what you need. So meeting it with that anticipation. Instead of wanting to go somewhere specific. Or have a specific experience. And then, people can either wear gloves or do it with without fingers. Of course, wearing a lot of oil, there's no lubricant in the area.

That also gives people sense of safety with the, if you have a lot of oil in your finger and no poo is gonna stick to the finger, like those kind of informations. And then it's really slowing down. We guide them into some very basic symbol yammering techniques because there can be a lot of tension, a lot of pain, discomfort, Amma on the anus itself.

So it's really a big part of a prostate massage is actually the anus. So we're not only offering prostate massage, it's actually also like an anal massage in that sense because it's so linked. So what I'm hearing is the prosthetic portal and prostate massage, it's really inviting an exploration of the whole.

Pelvis and the anal canal. Yeah. It's like the whole package. Because, and also the root of the lingham, like the root of the lingham is meeting the prostate. In that area. Also, really an area that a lot of men can benefit from having explored, connecting to it, massage relief tension in that area because it also affects prostate sexual performance.

So many things. Yeah, that's important to convey to listeners that engaging with the prostate is, it can be a really multi-step experience where you are really moving so slowly from the outside in and releasing any tension from the outside in, from the external sphincter layer by layer.

So it's really it's in, it's inviting a deep intimacy with the pelvis itself, but also I don't know. I wanna say rebirthing the pelvis into a new pelvis before getting to the prostate. Yeah. I'm curious, like I'm sure with so many different prostate owners and bodies the process and the experience is so different for everyone.

Everyone has different levels of tension and trauma and issues that are held in the area. I'm wondering in the workshops that you guys facilitate and I attended. One in Amsterdam with you guys, and it was so beautifully held and facilitated. What are some of the common experiences that first time prostate massage receivers ex have that surprise them about that part of their body, about their anal sphincters or the anal canal?

What's, what are some common discoveries that your clients or students make as they're exploring their anal canal and the issues held there? Yeah, so what the. It's the first time that I receive a anal massage or a prostate massage. Then they they're mostly safe. Oh it's actually quite normal and it's very natural.

And so it is again the, all the thoughts. That's they created around it are taken away. And that is, oh, it's very natural to have, and it's natural to have pleasure from that. And so that is very common that they say that. And then the second thing is that yeah, if they read, if they have some experience, then with our approach, then they can that they say, oh, it's so much relaxing. I'm very used of having it more that it's actively engaged. And that's that now this is more real in a relaxed state. And now I can, I'm feeling more instead of holding on.

And we can also have people that say, I don't feel a thing. That's also normal. And then that some frustration can come up from that. And then there are also a guy saying, wow, I connected to the whole lineage of men in my family, and all of a sudden I see how things can heal.

Like really profound. Wow. Or orgasmic experiencing. There was one guy in a festival, we met him like. Four or five hours after the workshop, and he was like, I'm still shaking, but I'm still shaking like this. So it can go in so many directions. It's so many directions. Yeah. Yeah. So I'm hearing Asim share that a lot of people respond in a way where they realize how normal and how relaxing the experience can be, because I think.

Like a lot of men have the experience of going to the doctor and getting their prostates, like a, just a looped finger getting stuck in there. But the way that you guide. Your students and clients with the breath work and going layer by layer and slowing down and being res really receptive and feeling everything.

It sounds like there's, there can be a lot more relaxation and normalizing of the experience and the range of responses can go from numbness to extreme pleasure and kind of ecstatic state, so it can really be anything. But how amazing that. The body can be explored in such a safe and gentle way to discover what is actually there to be felt and to be released.

I'm curious I know when you created the prosthetic portal online course, there was a lot of. Thought that went into how to support people when they're having like a trauma response. How do you guys hold, how do you guys facilitate that in either a workshop or when you're teaching people when you know the internal anal canal can hold different, various traumas, whether it's sexual violation or fears of security.

Like how. How do you teach people to hold space for that kind of material to show up? Yeah, so that's we had some hesitations making the online program because, we could not be present if all of a sudden people go into a full trauma. Release in a session like that. And then is the giver of the prostate capable of holding that space.

But it is something that we are addressing in the online clause, and we're talking about the different kind of traumas that can, like the origin of them, how they can show up and how you can handle them. But we also put in some like safety. Pieces into, to the online program where we say, if you have this and this, maybe it's not good to do it.

If this comes up, what can you do? Then? If that doesn't work, then do that. And the end of that, that we also keep like an email. Line open. If people really feel lost and need support, then we'll just so love them to reach out for us and then we can guide them. And maybe people need to go eventually to some kind of practitioner that can actually work with them very specifically on this.

They need that kind of support. Maybe if something really comes up that they cannot regulate or hold space for themselves. Wow. So you've really thought it through in sharing the possible responses, traumatic responses that can happen and what to do in that case. And it sounds like there's like an email correspondence line that's open so you guys are, can make selves available in case that happens as well.

I am, I'm really curious about the surprising. Pleasure that students or clients discover that they didn't know was possible. Like what you mentioned at the festival, like the guy being in an ecstatic state for hours after. I'm guessing a lot of students and clients are very, that's, there's a deep curiosity about what pleasure exists around their prostate.

I guess I'm wondering like, for students and clients who are very curious about their pleasure potential, do you guide them in a different way? Are there tips that you share about how to engage with the prostate or the anal canal that supports more of a pleasure exploration for them?

Yeah, I think the most important thing is that you you have to be able to move the energy inside into the body. And we work a lot with that, with a different breath work tend to so when we generate energy that we we pull the energy into the body. And when you have a penile orgasm, it is it's very intense and it's like going up the mountain and then when you drop off the peak, then you're having the orgasm and and you're shooting out.

Your energy. Yes. And but the, because the prostate is located inside the body, so then the energy is released in the body, and when you then are able to move that energy up instead of out then you can expand. The energy in your body and but also expand the pleasure inside your body.

And then you have a very different experience of having an orgasm or having pleasure in Yeah, because it's more inside. And it's not uncommon that someone experience, when you touch their prostate, they feel like a tingling or like in the tip of the penis. So that, that they are connected through different nerve endings and wiring. So you can also use like creating pleasure where it's quite well known. And while you quite feel safe, feeling pressure, usually touching the tip of theum, making some kind of massage on the lingham while massaging the prostate. You can connect the two dots.

Neuroplasticity, like the brain is discovering these new pathways of pleasure from being touched in an area you haven't been touched before. So that's also a way to, to guide this. Yeah, because in the, in when the prostate has never been touched, then the body doesn't know what to do with the signals.

And it's so then it's very good to, to have some pleasure touch on the lingo or somewhere else that you have that's the body is taught that it's pleasure, that it can be pleasure. Yeah. And most men, they need that to awaken. The pleasure potential. Some men can have it spontaneously, never had experience.

That happens too. But quite often they need a bit of support in that way to go in this new path. Yeah, what I'm hearing is because the prostate for most people have never been touched manually or never been touched at all, there's a incredible opportunity to wire pleasure from the lingham with the prostate as it's being touched for the first time.

Yes. That's fantastic because we are so Pavlovian, in how we get wired that, that sounds like fun. It sounds, it's just, it's fun and it's just such a cool way to engage with this, sacred portal in the body. I, for me I feel Asim, what you shared about the internal energy because of the, where the prostate is positioned inside of the body, that, that makes so much sense.

I. I feel like for, I feel like my exploration of separating ejaculation from orgasm really came from prostate massage self, prostate massage. And I didn't have to necessarily consciously, do a microcosmic orbit. I just, because the prostate's so internal, the energy was being released inside without me really needing to do anything.

That's awesome. Yeah. Yeah. So I'm curious because I know you guys well, let's talk about integration because, it's such a vulnerable, deep part of the human psyche and the prostate owner's body. How do you guide your students or practitioners to facilitate? What are the tips you share in regards to integrating from a prostate massage?

Yeah, so we, we have this also like piece or chapter that is called What to Expect after a prostate massage. So we try to tell people what they can expect for the following days after receive some prostate massage or even giving it so it's specific for the one giving, like how to clench yourself.

You really had your finger inside this. Sometimes this can be like these little like hotspot of. So much emotion. And not like taking that into your system. So that's one part of it. And then the other part is for the man that they, that can have so many, like the peeing sensations, the peeing flow can change, the poo can change.

The emotional letting go of bullshit can change and it can come days after it can really have this afterglow effect. For days. So we try to be very specific what they can happen. And then notice it. And then see, okay, what does that remind me of? What can I learn from this experience? Have somebody to share about afterwards, either the one giving or somebody else like to really, because it comes in layers and it can come and with delayed messages.

No, it's I always say from you, your shit is stirred. So all your shit is stirred, so then anything can happen that, that can come up, it's all in the darkness and, but now it's stirred and so it can come to the surface. Yeah. Yeah. Something I really appreciated about our first interview, a same, I remember you really were comment, you were commenting on.

How it is the darkest for, it's like the most inner, most dark place of the body where there is so much shadow and so we are stirring, what's in the shadow to come into consciousness and to be revealed and released. But it sounds because you guys have you're so familiar with what can come up in that process that you are letting.

Letting people know in the prosthetic portal all of the possible things that can come up and how to take care of themselves during the integration, which is so key and important. Yeah. And then we also offer the Zoom calls like doing, if you're part of the online thing that, that you can come with q and a or come with, get advice or share your experience.

So also wanting to offer the support that way. So people have like opportunity to create an email thread or hop onto a Zoom call to support, any questions or integration process or I'm curious about whether there possibilities there are with their prostate experience.

Yeah. Something you mentioned Stina, about the giver not taking on the energy of the prostate owner. That's a really important like preparation thing for the giver. I'm wondering, we've been talking about the prostate owner and the receiver's experience. What have you noticed in first time givers and their experience of, entering the body of their beloved or in such a deep and sacred way?

Yeah, so I think one thing that is really often like a topic is already like the polarity, if, especially if it is their private romantically partner or lover, that if the roles always have been reversed, the guy being the penetrating the one being more the doer, that now they, they change those roles and that's not.

All women that is comfortable with that. And so that could look like when the woman start to give the prosta massage that the man is still very much directing, ah no, touch me here. No. There go a little bit deeper. And they just follow along and then there's no surrender happening. And then that dynamic is just showing up.

So that could be one thing that we see. And then it can be about wearing gloves, not gloves. Mostly if it's your private partner, a lot prefer not to wear gloves because. It's so difficult the first time to feel stuff in there, and people get confused when they're wearing a glove, so that's another thing.

Then we can also see that the woman is so eager to give her man a prostate orgasm. That then it becomes goal orientated through the giver. Yes. And then we can see the response can be in the man, no, I'm not gonna give you my prostate orgasm for your sake. That kind of thing can happen.

So that's really, is really interesting. And then the like, very practical experience like, oh my god, my finger is burning inside. It's so hot, or it's so stinging, or it's so tight and everything is just conducted through that. That area you're touching and it becomes really intense.

And it's like people cramping up their shoulders and stop breathing and like it becomes so tense. Yeah. Wow. So the tenseness of the anus just travels up that arm and, yeah. Yeah, it's amazing. It's amazing how the energy can transfer when one is not conscious and aware of all of what can happen.

It's so interesting the way you describe the female wanting to. Elicit an orgasm from the male prostate. It's such a role reversal, isn't it? It's yes. It's yeah, it's so common for that to be the man wanting to give a woman an orgasm and it, I don't know.

In some ways, it's probably a good teacher for the man to realize what that feels like. Yeah. Okay, so I, I'm very curious about I know it's, it was a process to create the online course through the prosthetic portal. And so much goes into creating a course, like deciding what information to keep in and what information to to pull out.

What were some of the main objectives in how you decided to include the information that you did in the online course? Because I know it was a lot, you had, you guys, it sounds like you, it was a lot of consideration of how to make it as most trauma informed as possible. Yeah. It was mostly about from how how can we guide to, to give a safe prostate orgasm.

Yes. And that, that is the, especially because this is the, if you go to the online course, that is the, an introduction or introductionary course. And so it's very much about what to do and about the safety. To and, yeah, less about very specific details because yeah. Then it becomes, it would get lost in it. Yes. Yes. Yeah. But I also think like the feedback we get from our workshops is it's so precise, it's so detailed. Like we, we like the feedback we got from people who've done the online course is it's like all of a sudden I could do a press massage.

Like just usually you can just, yeah, just stick a finger out the As and look around for it. Like here, like we really try to. Put it into small little blocks, step by step, all the things you need to explore, experience, get confident in before going for the full massage of a prostate. So really dissecting it into small bits.

And a very large, the first, very large part of the course is just that we share about it. And then in, in. In pieces. So before we go into it, and even the massage itself we we have like a run through of all the steps before the actually massage is been done.

So you've really broken down the process. Yeah. Into digestible easily to understand steps before really inviting, like the experience so people under can understand intellectually, they can prepare their bodies, their emotions, they can understand what can happen. Yeah, it sounds amazing. And okay, so how do people find the course?

Where do they go? They go to the prosthetic portal.com. Okay. The prosthetic portal.com. Yeah. And I know there, there's the same sacred fire website and ama, are there links to the prosthetic portal there? We also made like, when, whenever we make stuff together, we call a sacred soma. So there's a website there where you can and that's linked out. So there are four websites you can go to. Wow. Okay. But the main one is the prosthetic portal.com Prosthetically. Yeah. For the online and everything related to the prostate. Yes. Awesome. Guys, I'm so excited that you've created this service. It's ama, it really blows my mind, like it blew my mind the first time.

I experienced my own prostate and I just think, if you have a body, you have to really understand how to optimize your health. Release toxins, heal, traumas, increase pleasure. It just advances everything in regards to your understanding of love making and your body. And here you've created this really.

Digestible. You've curated all of the wisdom that that you've been researching and facilitating for years into this online portal. I just think it's a tremendous service. Yeah, and I just think we really like to use the tree as a symbol. Whatever happens in the root will show up in the rest of the tree.

So whatever work you do on that area. It's so beneficial for it just, creates rebels in the water. Absolutely. So the rest of the being Yeah, that's, but I also just wanna use this opportunity to like, really thank for your, like you, you've been a big support and a guidance for us in this, so I. I just wanna really share that we would be so grateful for your support and your encouragement through this this process.

You've been a big part of it. Oh I've really enjoyed it and I've, it's been exciting to watch it evolve. I cannot wait for people to discover it and find it. So it's the prosthetic portal.com and you can get all the information and details there. And you guys have a special going on until the end of November.

Yeah. So it's like an opening premier. Big discount and basically save off the what taxes? 25%. So in the November, and then we have plans to already two Zoom calls for everybody signing up in that month, like one in December, one in January. Awesome. And we also record the Zoom calls if people can't make them.

Of course. Yeah. So we just really wanna interact with people that, that jumps on this journey because we will learn so much from the questions as well. And yeah. Beautiful, guys, thank you so much for returning and sharing your wisdom and offering this into the world.

I'm so excited for everyone to, to, to hop on and check it out. Thank you so much, AHI. Thank you. 

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