Welcome to your Body. Remembers pleasure. I'm your host, Rahi Chun. This podcast is devoted to sexual embodiment, intimacy, and the body's innate capacity to heal, feel, and remember pleasure. If something here resonates with you, you're welcome to explore more writings and resources@rahichun.com. And now let's begin.

 

How can we better attune to and listen for the guidance of the body's pleasure for its own healing? Listening for the answers to this question with his heart, intuition and hands, combined with his deep understanding of how to restore healthy fascial lines, realign anatomical structures within the body.

And hold a safe space for trauma resolution. Today's guest, Martin Bois shares how he's cultivated unique and effective practices for his wide range of clients and for his trainings. I am very excited to invite Martin Bo to the podcast today. I've been wanting to have Martin on the podcast for a while, ever since I did his wonderful training in Mexico in December of 21.

There were pelvic and sexual healing practices I had not been exposed to in my other trainings. And I really searched the world for great trainings and I was so lucky to have discovered his. It's a testament to his hands-on experience having held space for literally thousands of sessions over the years.

And I think also to his natural curiosity and intuition. A little bit about Martin's background. His interest in body work began at a young age when he was a teenager drawn to energy work, sweetish, massage, reflexology, and anatomy. During his career as a linguistics and speech pathology university professor, he offered massage on a part-time basis.

And today his work is a very dynamic and unique synergy. Listen to these influences of craniosacral, myofascial neuro kinetic Chiang car song, tantric Thai, and Reiki influences. All to resolve trauma and any other obstacles in the way of the organic life force to flow throughout the body. He's experienced in Dr.

Gabor mate's compassionate Inquiry training and also the father of two grown children. Martin is currently based in Vancouver, but offers trainings in Europe. There's one coming up in Portugal soon. I took mine with him in Mexico, and he also is taught in Bali and Thailand. Check out his website bois bodywork.com for his current offerings, and I will have his link in the show notes.

Martin, thank you so much for joining us today. Thank you, Rahi. It's an honor to interview here with you. Oh, I'm so glad, I'm so glad you're here. For our audiences, some of the practices that I was referring to that were specific to your training that I hadn't been exposed to before, for example, were the discovery and the really important anatomical area of the case spot or the stripping.

But before we get into those, I th I thought a good jumping off point would be to ask you, Martin, looking back now on your journey. Of how you've combined and synergized these different approaches to your work. Can you share the pivotal experiences that have really informed your approach and understanding to resolving issues in the pelvis and the body?

Great question. There's many aspects. When I started to, when I left the university and I really wanted to make a difference for women's health. I really wanted to specialize in in. Body work for women because of course men and women have similar organs. Similar bodies. But the way you work with men and women physically even from a massage therapy perspective is slightly different because some muscles don't attach the same way, but also men and women use their bodies differently.

For cultural reasons, for because of procreation that is different. And so initially I was I had no inkling on working genitally or even on the pelvis specifically because I wanted to I didn't even, I was not aware that it was a a big need. And then as I was working with women, I realized that.

Almost every woman I worked with had gynecological issues or sexual issues that were completely unaddressed by the medical system. And so that was a big, rude awakening because I trusted that gynecology and urology were treating our women well. But that's not the case. And so that's the first big awakening.

And so I started to work with Al Neuralgia incontinence prolapse uterine prolapse initially mostly, and different things like that. And gradually one day one of my client told me. What is wrong with my pleasure, Martin, you've been avoiding, I've been experiencing pleasure and every time I experience pleasure, you move away to a different point.

And what's wrong with my pleasure? Why should I be ashamed of my pleasure? And she was teasing me, of course. But it made me realize that it's true that in body work, in massage therapy, we, whenever we work with the body, if there's pleasure. We shy away from it very often. Most jurisdictions do not allow pleasure and really it's completely stupid.

It's giving a culinary experience, going to a restaurant and telling people, please don't enjoy, if you enjoy, we'll have to give you something bad. Do you want vinegar with your soup? And then when I started to accept. People's pleasure as a normal experience, not something that I would push or something that would come naturally.

Sometimes. I realized that it brought huge openings in the body. It moved organs. It released blood flow. It released nerves, and so I started to open up to exploring those. And I'm, I still have it. Researcher's brain. And so I started to experience and research and expand talking to different Tanika.

So I enrolled a group of probably about 20 different tantrica and told them, listen, I'm gonna give you. Free body work in exchange, you guide me to the most potent pleasure you can experience and with my hands. And and then we've explored and we've uncovered points that some of them had read about but had never experienced and so on.

And it gradually I was able to map out the points, but also. To map out the impact of those points. And I realized for example, that some of the pleasure points influence hormone levels, some of the pleasure points eliminate cysts, for example, and other points will move the uterus up and down in a resilient way, in a sustainable way.

So I and those are some of the techniques that I've developed over the years. So those were the two most pivotal points in terms of techniques. Then there's all the there was a lot of work or a lot of awakening about the the impact and the importance of trauma on the body.

But that was more long term. That was not as much specific moments. Yeah. That really stood out. One, it doesn't surprise me to learn that you were looking at the whole body first, because in the training there is such an emphasis on the role that fascia plays in resolving issues.

The interconnectedness of all the fascia, like the emphasis on the deep front line is something in particular that, that stood out for me. And then it makes sense to me that the more you worked on bodies, the more you realized how Yeah, our whole medical industry really is so neglectful of female health and specifically around sexuality.

One of my best friends is an an O-B-G-Y-N. She says, pleasure is not taught in their training. It's all about hysterectomies and delivering babies. The other thing that stood out, Martin, is exactly what you're speaking to, is how much of your training included pleasure as a methodology.

For resolving issues. I just love how matter of fact you are, I remember you, you sharing about uterine prolapses and how stimulating the clitoris engages the cremaster or the iliacs muscle, and it's just a very. Practical way of resolving a prolapse. I think one of the questions that would come up for listeners is the issue around a practitioner working involving arousal and pleasure with a client and the boundaries involved.

So if you could speak to that please. 'cause I think it would be on people's minds. Of course. It's very important to have a serious discussion with the client on. What they want to experience, what they're open to and really to explore their boundaries. But really to have the boundaries have to be set by them initially.

Really, that's the most important part. I always have a discussion at the beginning of sessions if, especially with new clients, we will always discuss about their history physically, their social history, their family history their sexual history, and see where they're at the moment.

It really depends on the person. And sometimes before we, we can go on working for example on the uterine prolapse with pleasure, we need to do a lot of back work. We might need two, three sessions of trauma work or of building the really the confidence in the person that. They can, because a lot of people have an orgasm.

So there, there's many things that needs to be built and it really comes from the person's history. And then it's a discussion with the person to really uncover their own boundaries. And we only do what they're. What their body and what their heart tells them. If they're not comfortable with a procedure, we don't do it.

Of course. And also another thing that is important is that I very often involve the the partner. The therapy. For example, if a procedure if a procedure involves body work that will eventually necessitate. Pleasure. What I'll do is that I'll ask the partner to be there and I do the body work, so I'll do, for example, I'll work with the nerves or with the fascia.

And when time comes to bring pleasure, I essentially I give my place to the partner and the partner does the pleasure as I'm leaving and they do whatever they want. I give them all the instructions, be. For, and usually what they'll do is that they'll start. They'll do the procedure. If the procedure involves pleasure they do that form of pleasure, and if they want to expand into their own sexuality, they, they can, but they don't have to.

It's really, or, and sometimes they ask me to stay in the living room while they're working in the massage room or something like that. Sometimes they ask me to be there because they need guidance, because some of the, pleasures are quite technical and some of the couples are okay with that.

So it's really their choice. I would say. The situation with probably half of my clients is that I'll do some of the body work and the partner does the pleasure work. In other situations, the the partner and the and the client is totally open to me doing pleasure work. You have to remember that the pleasure work is very aimed.

It's really aimed at something very specific, bringing a sexual process to. To move an organ or to to release, increase blood flow. Yeah. Yes. Yeah, exactly. It's really being used as a tool as you pointed out, to move organs to increase blood flow, to resolve nerve pinching or, and so I want to get to one of these points.

It's fascinating to me because the case spot. The Kundalini spot is not a spot I had come across in any of my other trainings, and it has such practical functions. Not only does it increase the body's natural production of pres progesterone it can be used to resolve symptoms of endometriosis.

As I learned in your training, it can lubricate the anal sphincter. Tell me, were you, I'm fascinated with this data research you did with the 20 Tanika. Can you share how you came across the K spot and why isn't, it's not that well known. It seems out there amongst the Tantra trainings and the sacred sexuality trainings.

Yeah, and it's a pity because it's such a powerful point. Ah the main person who brought me to that point as a pleasure point is a Tanika tantra teacher from Portugal, Isabelle who, who said that she had read about it but had never experienced it, and she brought a student of hers to observe the the experience.

When we did the the session, it took probably close to an hour of only stimulating the case pot. And she had this wave of pleasure. Her body lifted off the ground completely, and she went into something that. Looked like a, I see. And so we took our pulse for the first probably 15, 20 minutes every five minutes.

My god. We would take her pulse because we were afraid that she was dying, having a heart attack. Yeah. And and at some point she. Raised her thumb. So we understood that she was okay, but she couldn't talk and move for a good 45 minutes. So that was the first experience with the the K spot. And we started to, I started to experience that with other clients.

And similar experiences happened. But what I observed with the K spot, at some point I had a client who had ma major cysts. Ovarian cysts. She had a eight centimeter cyst and a five centimeter cyst on the other side. Those are major cysts, and she was going to undergo surgery in the weeks that followed.

So she asked me to do three sessions. One of the first thing I asked her is. How is your sexuality? And she said my, my partner is an amazing tantric practitioner and but we've come to have very boring sex. And she was very frustrated. Not with the frequency, but with the variety. And I said why don't we try to address first the frustration and second.

Try to bring you new pleasures and at the same time. And so I, and she didn't she said, yeah, sure. So she told me what she was accustomed to with her partner and he had never touched the the case pot, of course, like most people. 'cause it's quite it's a little bit in the back. Yeah, it's, so we did that.

And she absolutely loved it and had a wave of pleasure and their pleasures were increasing and we would do three hours in a row of those orgasms. We did three sessions, but every, at the end of every session, we would notice major changes on her belly. The first day we could see her cysts when she was laying down, you could see both cysts.

At the end of the first day, we couldn't see them. And we could palpate them, but we couldn't see them. And then second day, we couldn't palpate them or see them, of course. And at the end of the third day, she felt like completely energized and rejuvenated, A bit tired. Of course, after. Three sessions of three hours of orgasms.

But yeah, she went she went home they flew back home. She went for surgery three days after they did an ultrasound to check the status. Because she said. Some things changed and, they did an ultrasound. They could not even find where the cysts were initially. Wow. There was nothing, no, no traces of the cyst in nine hours of pleasure.

And and she called me and she was completely baffled. And the doctor was baffled. Didn't believe what ha what she had done right. Just thought they resolved on their own. They might have burst or something. They couldn't find anything. I started to explore and of course the universe being so generous I had a whole bunch of people with ovarian cysts following that, and it worked with everybody.

I've had sessions with people with whom for example, for people who didn't want to go into orgasm, but were open to some level of pleasure and so we would do. Slow buildup of pleasure. And when they were come to pleasure, I would just we would stop back up and let them rest. And even in those cases, there was some result not as effective.

But it did help. So that's how I found out. That's so amazing. Okay, so for listeners, the K spot is on the floor of the vaginal canal. If one is lying on their back, between the perennial sponge and the posterior Forex there's a little dip there and it's just right of center of the rectum.

And Martin, in your training, you had shared that in about 90% of bodies you've worked with, it's just right of center and about 10% it's left of center. Is that accurate? Yep. Yeah it's, it just depends on the position of the rectum really, because the the case spot when you work a, it's throughout the whole width.

But it's more in, in, for most women it's more pleasurable when it's accessed through the vagina for some reasons. Men also have a case spot. And in my experience I have some clients who say that they do experience. Pure pleasure with the case, but male clients in the past.

But for most men, it doesn't really bring pleasure, but it can be used to lengthen the pleasure, for example, if you're getting pleasure and genital stimulation as a man, and at the same time someone stimulates the prostate when the orgasm come. If you turn your finger and massage just.

Below the co essentially is the place where the case spot is. You will lengthen the orgasm by a lot, like by tenfold. That's worth noting for Matt. Yeah. So then just to note on that, Martin ergonomically if the prostate is being stimulated, then the finger needs to turn the other way towards the Yes, exactly.

The cotton. Yeah. So there needs to be enough lube for the finger to turn fully the other way. Yeah. That is fantastic. The experience, since your training I've been introducing the K spot and clients have been really fascinated. Most people have not had, don't even know it exists, much less have had it palpated.

What's very common in my experience is that first they've they sense something, but they'll be like, oh yeah, there's something there. It feels kinda weird. But then within a matter of minutes, it'll start to evolve into more pleasurable sensation. And then, as you shared in, in your training, it's an area, it's fascinating because the more it's palpated more, it will elicit pleasure.

Yes absolutely. It's also it's a point that personally I stimulate initially at the same time as the clitoris. So that because the brain doesn't distinguish where in the pelvis it again, it's getting pleasure. And because most pleasure comes from a combination of. Putal nerve, mainly with a little bit of the genital femoral and sometimes the vagus nerve.

And so the the pleasure is not a distinct it's very difficult for the brain to know where the pleasure comes from initially. Yes, exactly. So you stimulate both at first, and then you release the slowly you release the clits and maintain just the case spot, for example. You can continue with both, but if you want to reactivate the case bot, eventually you want to stimulate it alone.

And another aspect that really helps activating any of those points is to blow warm air on the genitals. So opening your mouth, fairly warm fairly wide and blowing air. With a mouth open very close to the genitals that, that sends pheromones in, to the vulva That will help your, the body of the recipient to produce oxytocin.

And oxytocin allows the the vagus nerve to be more activated for pleasure. Because it brings it into parasympathetic. And then gradually the the pral nerve is also more sensitive. But Martin, so just to be clear I remember you teaching that and I, it, it does have an effect in my experience with clients who are comfortable having warm air blown.

And I've been focusing on focusing the warm air on their clitoral area. But that would have a similar response when the cervix is being stimulated as well. No. Yes, it's, for the cervix, it's almost critical to have oxytocin, high oxytocin in the body. As a practitioner, I don't have I usually don't bring fuzzy feelings to my clients.

I don't have a personal connection or a sexual connection with them. And and it's it's, this is an important part of having a therapeutic relationship with them, but. To bring oxytocin up in their body. There's two or three different ways to there's actually many ways to bring the oxytocin up and so yes blowing warm air on the genitals is one blowing warm air on the anal area or on the breast.

We'll also do less effective on the breast, but it's still, it has some impact. Within partners of course they have access to the breath, but they can also have oral sex. So they can lick the nipples, they can kiss the mouth, they can lick the genitals are, or like the the anus.

And that brings even more pheromones. But as a practitioner we don't do that. Currently. The breath is a very good way to increase the pheromone if the person is open to it. Of course. Yeah. Terrific. Before we leave the K spot, I feel like we've been massaging the case spot for a little while here.

How did you discover, or how did you learn, come to learn? Maybe it was with the 20 Tanika that palpating the case spot produce stimulates the body's natural production of more pro progesterone. That's experience. Because as I was using the the case spot for cysts for example and also for some women, the I have some clients who will come for example, and say that the, they want to expand their sensations. They want to feel more of their vagina as we would uncover different points. From session to session, they would they would say this change in my body, my breasts are changing.

The, and things like that. And so by observing I've come to, to observe really systematic changes. For example, the case spot in general in my observation, seemed to increase. Progesterone. It seems also to clear it brings blood flow to the ovaries and the uterine tubes or fallopian tubes.

For example some women will have congestion in the fallopian tubes or even blockages and. It with the stimulation of the case, but we've been able to clear some of those congestion and that, so that, that helps quite a bit. But we know that if you stimulate the case spot on a regular basis, the progesterone in the body will increase in general.

So the estrogen, progesterone, balance will change and because we have in our society a very high incidence of estrogen dominance, which is dangerous for the body I've used the case pot many times with people with very high estrogen, low progesterone to bring the balance. And it's quite fast two, three sessions.

And generally the the balance will change. You will see, for example, the redness in the cheeks of the person. And the cheeks will become more puffy. The breasts will become more round, very often. And so that helps. Of course in terms of estrogen dominance, estrogen, progesterone, dominance.

Another thing that is critical is to make sure that the body eliminates the estrogen properly. And so it's always important to make sure that the person has a healthy liver. And so I work a lot with massaging the liver to cleanse the liver, but also sometimes I will guide them to liver detox or have them work with a naturopath to cleanse their liver.

So liver eliminate estrogen and the, the guts will reabsorb some of the building blocks to create progesterone from what used to be estrogen. And yeah. And another point that is important in estrogen dominance is also making sure that the stress level is reduced as much as possible.

Because otherwise the building blocks to create the progesterone will be reabsorbed to create. Other are hormones if there's too much cortisol in the body. So the third components of rebalancing procedures. When you said earlier that two or three sessions will, can balance an imbalance between increasing the progesterone production in the body.

After two or three sessions, does the body, does the client need to self stimulate, continue to self massage the case spot, or does it, does that two or three sessions kind of balance it for unforeseeable while. Hormonal imbalance are long-term issues. And so it's, I see it more as a kicking start, but they often need to change their diet because a lot of our diet includes too much testosterone builders, too much estrogen builders.

Also a lot of people have liver functions that are too low. So we need to work with that. Plus there is a lot of phytoestrogen and xenoestrogen in in food and in chemical products. Shampoo from soap and all of those soap. There needs to be a life change, a lifestyle change combined with that.

And normally it's good to it's good enough to start the process. Honestly, though, one thing that emerges most of the time is that once they've discovered the case, but they don't wanna leave it, they'll integrate it in their sexual practices. Because it, it is a very pleasant point.

Oh, it's amazing. And I, it's not so far deep in where, I have a client in Connecticut where after introducing it to her she was able to self massage it with her thumb. Yes. So it's not so far back that you can't massage it on your own as well. Yes, absolutely. But I think the key is really, one to discover it and then bring it online and once it's online, you're off to the races.

Yeah, absolutely. It's, the activation of the point can be done by yourself, of course. By, by people themselves. But it's often best to done by someone who really knows where the point is and right is moving the energy at the same time and all of that. It's always good to work with a practitioner or with a partner who's really who has researched it.

Yeah. As our job is often to, to to train partners, to pleasure their yes to offer proper pleasures. But, on that note, Martin, like part, yes, definitely it's great for partners to do their research, but I have never come across the case spot in any research. Have you That's true. Come across it. Nope. It's like this amazing treasure that's not really known about. Yeah. It's if we completely neglect the, what anatomically is called the posterior part of the vagina when the, when a woman is laying down on her back it's the bottom part that's completely neglected in most sexuality, in most tantric massages. And it's sad because. Why neglect that H area and there's a lot of pleasure everywhere in the vagina, even just just closer to the opening of the vagina. So you have the case spot on, mostly on the right, but sometimes on the left as well.

But if you come to the center right on the middle of the rectum. Just a little bit close, closer to the opening. There's another point there that can be very pleasurable. Yes. My students call it the m spot because I'm for Martin. Covered it. Yes. But really I, I, it's like Chris Christopher Columbus.

He, he just. Rediscovered something that has always been there, I didn't make that point. It's there. But there's a point there that brings in my experience, it brings joy. It's a very joyful pleasure. Not always available to everybody, but if you cultivate it, it's beautiful pleasure.

It's not on my chart, but it should be. I love the word you use cultivate, because that's really what it calls for. All of these areas, it's people go to the gym and they work out their muscles, but they don't work out the, these anatomical regions with Intravaginally or even intra anally, for men, for cock owners.

And it's all waiting to be discovered. Absolutely. And even for women, there's a lot of pleasure to be had. Emily. Yes, I do discovery sessions sometimes with women to awaken the rectal points. There's many points in the rectum. First in the rectum from inal work. You have access to the G-spot, the a spot, the cervix, and the K spot.

Yeah, but you also have access to other points, other pleasure points on the pikas that are potentially very orgasmic. Wonderful. Wonderful. The other thing I wanted to touch on, because I feel like. It's such an easy way to release tension in the pelvic floor was the stripping, so specifically releasing tension and massaging the pubic ogus, the ioc, coist, the coist and the operator internist.

I know that term, the stripping, I think you explained it was actually applied on, on, on men's bodies way back when, and then someone rediscovered it. How did you come across. The stripping and it is, it has such I can't imagine anybody not benefiting from the release of tension in the pelvic bowl.

I'm curious Parton, how you came across it and how I'm guessing you, because everybody benefits. Every SI session involves the theo stripping. Pretty much, yeah, mo almost all I almost always do it if I do internal work, either from the vagina or the inus. I almost always do field stripping.

There's two other techniques used by pelvic floor specialist or a physiotherapist to release the pelvic floor muscles. There's also a trigger point release, which is essentially pressing on three different points. The interesting thing is that those points were discovered by thi the Charles Thiel the man who also the developed the the stripping.

And so thi one, teal two, teal three are the original names. And then they were change when people started to develop the the trigger point techniques. Then there's also pulsations that can be done in on those points to release those muscles. My, when I started to do pelvic floor work I researched and found those techniques, and the results that I observed was that very often my clients would get cramps after a single point press or a trigger point release. They would get cramps the day after and then they wouldn't come back. And so I researched and found a. Protocol that exists, that is common on the in modern physiotherapy called the Stanford Protocol, or the Gale Anderson protocol, which is a protocol that is described to have been discovered by two researchers from.

Stanford. And if actually you, you read their research they took, they inspired their work from the work of Charles Steels in the thirties. Wow. So these two researchers from Stanford took a protocol from Charles Thi, who was, that was developed for anal work in the thirties. And they adapted it for men and women either anally or vaginally.

And the they copyrighted it. And the only way you can use it is if you train with them directly or with somebody who has been trained with them. And so what I did is that I went, I found the article by Charles Steele, which was difficult to find and. Did my own adaptation and I put it on the internet.

And one of the, it was someone from Stanford wrote me at some point and said you can't do that. That's professional secret. And I said, no, it's Charles Fields, sits there exactly. Has been dead for more than 50 years, so I can do it. And I'm not taking your work. And they also said that it was dangerous because people could heal themselves, and that's very dangerous for people's.

Revenues, but it's not bad for people's help. And so I've put the protocol on Facebook a few years ago, and I can repost it anytime because I think it should be common knowledge. Sure. But I, the adaptation I made is a little bit. Deeper than what they did because I cover more muscles because my, in my experience you need to release as much of the pelvic floor as possible because most of the muscles, the fascia the ligaments work together. One thing that these, the, that the Stanford protocol neglect is that. There are fascial lines within the pelvis that need to balance. There's two fascial lines that are one over the other.

I don't want to get into too much details here because it's a bit technical and people can get lost, but those need to be balanced, and so that's why. I expanded the teal, the original teal technique to cover all the fascia inside the vagina or the inus. So the technique that I teach is a little bit broader.

But it's, it has also more impact on the body and I think that's why my work is so effective. It's because it covers more than just the the cos or just the Pubal cos because. Traditionally in most jurisdiction, physiotherapists are trained to only release what is perceived as tense.

But you don't rebalance the whole pelvis Exactly, because what is lax is as important, is as what is tense. And so you need to work with all the tissue to reestablish balance. What they, what is missed here is that you need to bring balance in the whole area. It's such a simple way to release tension in the pelvic bowl.

I wish everyone knew because it feels like it's very accessible. The other thing I wanted to, I wanted to ask you, Martin, given the thousands of sessions you've given, I can hear just in how methodical you are in answering my questions, the kind of researcher you are in, developing these methods.

I wanted to ask you about the most common unaddressed issues in bodies that you see. Oh, the most common one is incontinence. 50 50% of women at 50 have incontinence. 40. At 40, and 20% of women at the age of 20 have incontinence. If you look at gymnasts for example, a very high proportion of gymnasts have incontinence and they're told it's normal because you're jumping.

It's gonna, you're gonna drop some urine. This is not the case. If you do release the pelvic floor muscle, it doesn't happen. So incontinence, urinary incontinence is the most frequent one. I see. And I almost every form of urinary incontinence and interstitial cystitis can be eliminated in two or three sessions in my experience.

Almost a hundred percent. Another one that is very common is menstrual cramps. You will probably never eliminate a hundred percent because there's many aspects. It can go with your diet, it can go with stress in your life, sex, absence of sex, et cetera. There's many factors in menstrual cramps, also tension in sos ias.

There's many issues, but we can reduce or eliminate most cases of menstrual cramps. And the third one, which is probably the one that is dearest to my heart. Is the the retroversion of the uterus or tilted uterus, which is extremely common. 30% of women in our society have retroverted uterus and retroverted uterus.

Even if it's not expressed in those terms, you can ask your OBGT friend. The most people who have retroverted uterus are, have higher risk of having miscarriage five times more. If you look at old research, it's about five times more because of the incidents of IVF. Those research has.

Been, have been hidden for the most part, are downplayed because they have much more, they make a lot of money with IVF. But just moving the uterus from a retroverted to a normal position reduces the the chance of miscarriage. By a lot. And the woman will feel much better, will have less menstrual cramps, less abundant bleeding, et cetera, et cetera.

And those moving the res takes five to 15 minutes. It's good to rest after, but really it's a procedure that can be done with clothes on. It's very simple to do and should be done really? Generously because. It's something that should be healed. Even you can do that even at teenage and then it's done for the life. Yeah. It doesn't move back. In most cases, yeah. If it moves back, it's because there's an imbalance in the fascia and that can be addressed again externally very easily. Yeah, it's good to consult somebody if you have incontinence bladder prolapse or anything like that.

But also if you have a tilted uterus, if you have had miscarriages, most of the time we can prevent further miscarriages by just moving Beatrice in a very simple way. Yeah. And all of these were covered in the 11 day training. You have a training coming up in Portugal. Is it the same 11 day training?

Yeah, it's it's six weeks of online training right at your own pace before the training to cover, to discuss all the issues. Then we have it's actually. 10 days of training, but 12 days now because we have two days of break and then people can submit case studies where I give them feedback and they can learn from the feedback.

Do you have other trainings scheduled for the year? Yes, we have a training scheduled for Bali Bali in Indonesia in at the end of August 27th to September 7th. And also we probably will have another one in Portland in, at the beginning of 24, I think. Awesome. Awesome. If you wanna visit Martin's website where he's got all of his offerings and a detailed explanation of the trainings and his work, please go to Bois bodywork, that's B-E-A-U-D-O-I-N bodywork.com, and there'll be a link in the show notes as well.

And for the next year at least. Martin you're gonna be in, in Vancouver for a lot of the year, is that correct? Yes, most of the time I am in Vancouver. I, of course I offer private sessions or sessions for couples, but also I'm always open to private training. Yeah. I, I must also say, Martin, like when I first reached out to you, you were open about trying to, either do a private training with me, being a male and making it work. And I really appreciated your flexibility and, really your service and wanting to train people who are willing to learn. Martin, thank you so much for, really your curious mind and your intuitive like attunement and all of your kind of research minded approach because I feel like there's so many approaches that are just serving so many people and I have been grateful to learn from you.

So thank you so much for being who you are. Thank you for also, it was an honor to have you in my training and to do this interview with you. It's very rare to have the opportunity to to work with practitioner with. As much integrity as you do rahi. And so it was really never a problem to integrate you in the training.

The, there's many reasons why I don't integrate men more often in my training. Of course, there's some, there's a matter of integrity with some men that I, unless I know them very well, but the problem is sometimes, in terms of practicalities, it's difficult to integrate a man because you cannot receive all of the procedures, of course.

And so it makes things a bit complicated. But in your case, it was so natural because you're open-minded. And you were very open to work, giving the work and observing and participating in different ways. So it was really a pleasure to have you in our training. I really loved it and it was such a great time on so many levels.

Yeah. So Martin, I look forward to seeing you when I get to see you next, maybe at the next advanced training. And in the meantime for our audience members, you can find him at his website and the links will be in the show notes. Thanks so much, Martin. Thanks so much, Rocky.

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