Welcome to your Body. Remembers pleasure. I'm your host, Rahi Chun. This podcast is devoted to sexual embodiment, intimacy, and the body's innate capacity to heal, feel, and remember pleasure. If something here resonates with you, you're welcome to explore more writings and resources@rahichun.com. And now let's begin.

 Today we invite Sal Mai tabi to the podcast. S ma has been a devoted space holder, facilitator and integration specialist of plant medicines, as well as an effective ally in creating systemic changes and policy awareness and education about the benefits of the intentional use of psychedelic medicines.

How can our conscious, intentional, and reverent meeting with the wisdom of plant medicines support inhabiting the truest and fullest access to our whole body and psyche? As well as our life force. Are there plant medicines that can aid in the healing and metabolizing of past sexual traumas? And if so, how?

What does the earth have to tell us? Teach us, and show us about ourselves as stewards of this land? Please be advised that plant medicines were administered traditionally in sacred ceremonies with the deepest reverence for its wisdom, guidance, and healing properties. Please do your due diligence in research and consultation with experienced and trained professionals such as Sally Mae if considering whether you are a good candidate for such an experience.

I am really thrilled to be inviting Sally Ma Torey to the podcast today. I've known Sally Mae for a number of years now, and it's always a joy to connect with her. So a little bit about S Ma. She's a clinical counselor with a master's degree in counseling psychology from the University of British Columbia.

She's also a certified hypnotherapist Matrix energetic guide and significant to our talk today, a plant medicine integration therapist. And we'll get into her role as a political advocate, an educational ally, and so much more in regards to plant medicines. She supports both individuals and couples foster greater self-love reclamation of empowered embodiment, removing blocks to sharing and receiving love, and manifesting abundance in all areas of their lives.

You can read more, you can discover more about her at her site, vibrant life counseling.com. Now she's also a founding member of the Psychedelic Association of Canada, which was founded in 2019, opening access to psychedelics for all Canadians as a human right. Since its inception just a few years ago, they've already successfully worked with Health Canada and representatives from all political parties to support access to psilocybin at end of life and achieve special access program status.

They've also impacted legislation for the legalization of psilocybin and psilocybin mushrooms, and commissioned a 2021 Nanos poll, finding that 78% of Canadians support psilocybin to treat end of life patients, and more about the Psychedelic Association of canada@psychedelicassociation.net. As I mentioned, she's been a powerful political advocate and educational ally speaking on countless panels, conferences, and interviews for the accessibility.

Of plant medicines for healing, spiritual embodiment, and empowerment. Now, I wanted to host Sally Mater the podcast to invite an exploration of how psychedelics when brought into the healing journey with intentionality and consciousness can support sexual embodiment and the sexual healing journey.

Sally Mae, thank you so much for joining us today. It's great to see you. Thank you so much for the warm welcome and the great intro. Appreciated Rahi, and it's always great to be in your company. Oh, wonderful. Sally Mae, I usually start off by asking guests to the podcast about their own journey of sexual embodiment and empowerment.

And I would love to, I would love our audiences to know a little bit more about the role that psychedelics has played in supporting your journey and reclamation as a way for listeners to get an insight about the power of plant medicines and psychedelic aids. Yeah, absolutely. So I'll go back to 2013.

In February, 2013, it was the first time that I connected with Ayahuasca. And I always say that the salame prior to Ayahuasca and salame after ayahuasca is a very different being. That emerged and I. I, in 2012, I was working as a. Therapist at Family Services. I was going through a lot of very difficult cases.

Anything from bereavement, anxiety, depression, addiction, to also, gang violence, domestic violence, sexual trauma. And as a novice therapist, I realized that I was hitting walls and my clients were hitting walls just in the container of talk therapy. And I know many of the listeners can resonate with that.

And as an empath, not knowing that I was picking up a lot of energy, I unfortunately started having autoimmune issues. And so that was a catalyst that opened me up to all kinds of different energetic modalities and alternative ways of healing. So anything from reiki to acupuncture to hypnotherapy.

And eventually I came across the article on Ayahuasca, and within two months I was down in Mexico sitting with the Peruvian shaman. And so that ceremony, actually, I feel unlocked. The repressed energies that I had around my own sexual trauma at the age of five. And prior to that ceremony, I just had one.

I would say I would ha have one emotion, and that was happiness, like a lot of people. But underlying it was anxiety. But a lot of people would see me and they were like, why are you so happy all the time? And I started questioning that as well. So during the first Ayahuasca ceremony, I was able to access this well of grief that I had never.

And that was the first safety opening. And then after that, in November, 2013, I connected with my mentor, who I worked with for eight years. And within the safety of the first retreat with him, which was 30 days long, 13 people, we didn't leave the room. We didn't leave the house. This was at Lake Aland.

Yeah. Very deep work. I discovered my the memories of my sexual trauma at the age of five. Wow. Yes. And when I work with my clients now, and some of them might have a bit of a, and I'm sure you based on the thousands of people that you worked with, when there's a bit of a kind of feeling of I think something might have happened, but I just don't know exactly.

And so the body kept me safe until I was ready and in a safe container to be able to look at it. To answer your question with that background when I started working deeper with ayahuasca in circles, in some of those earlier sessions, ayahuasca literally would remove energy out of my womb.

And I was very aware that this was happening. And there was a point in one ceremony where she actually rewired my clitoris 'cause of the Yeah. De sensitization that had happened. The dissociation that had happened with with that region. And it started with that, it really started very clearly and to the point and to the core of take literally shifting energy and taking energy out of my sexual organ area.

Wow. That's amazing. Salame. As I shared with you, I feel like in the last couple of years, so many clients seeking sessions it was an ayahuasca journey or some kind of sacred ceremony that either reminded them of their sexual abuse or help them prepare to actually address it.

I'm wondering for our listeners when you went down to Mexico, and the memory of when you were five came to you were, was that something you had just blocked out of your consciousness or did you feel like you were aware of it and just not ready to deal with it and Ayahuasca helped you, really prepare you to address it?

Yeah. Great question. And I do feel to your point that a lot of individuals are being supported to look at this very deep trauma. I think the sexual trauma is something that is, of course, they say in research that neglect and abandonment are the worst, kind of foundational pieces of trauma.

And it's not even physical violence, it's actually neglect and abandonment. This is a lot of Gabor Dr. G mate's work. But sexual trauma I feel is very close to that because there is a sense that. I felt that I was abandoned and neglected that this could happen to me. And so it opened up the floods of so many other emotions.

And I feel that what plant medicines do, and in my experience and I've seen it with my clients when I support them in ceremonies, is that the medicine almost holds. There's a gentle, like there's, that there's somebody, some energy there with you now. Yes. And we, yeah.

And from your amazing work, and I've experienced your work in that, how important holding and being with is. And I feel that my memories were repressed. And also, like you were saying, I was not ready to see them, so it, it was both. And it wasn't during the IA ceremonies, it was again later on that year when I was working with my mentor.

The integration that I was actually able to access them, but Ayahuasca unlocked, I feel the cage that they were stored in. Yeah. There's so many important themes you're touching on. The fact that the holding that you experienced with Mother Ayahuasca when we are held in your experience with, at the Ayahuasca energy and life force or when we're feeling supported and resourced is when the trauma feels safe enough to come forward.

When we're, when we don't have that kind of support, whether in a relationship or with a counselor or in other ways, then it, our, somewhere in our psyche knows that it's gonna be too overwhelming to, to deal with. So that holding that you experience is really significant and I totally. Resonate with that.

I feel the ayahuasca journeys that I've done, I just feel like the plant medicine is still in me and this is years and years later. And that support is still there. But the other point that I wanna touch upon is this is the significance of the role integration plays, because as you said the first event opened the gates, but it was really in the integration that you felt safe enough for all of these memories to come forward.

Can you speak a little bit about your integration process as well as the integration space that you hold for clients? Again, wonderful question. I laugh because my journey with Ayahuasca started 10 years ago, and at that time I felt like. It was a sledgehammer, I did not have a really strong background in, in somatics, for example.

In my masters we talked about the wind of tolerance. We did talk about not, like you're saying, overwhelming the system or flooding the system yet with ayahuasca, I felt like that was not an option. It was so intense at that time, and my nervous system just got so blasted and I didn't really have the clarity of deta or what preparation could be prior to going into ia.

Now, 10 years later, I feel that we are so much more trauma informed. So much more equipped in not blasting individuals. And that's, that is the angle that I come with my clients is that. We can be gentle, we can be efficient where the ceremonies do not need to be 13 hours long.

And and there can, there's a lot of steps actually prior to going into the ceremony. So my work with clients is now one-on-one. I did a lot of work for years in BC and in California, in groups. And I felt that group processes are very powerful and I still, I still see that happening.

However I feel for sensitive cases or when people are really focused on cleaning their whole house, their whole internal house. Then I feel the one-on-one support is is Im imp parable and so I appreciate you as well in the way that you. Hold space for individuals. And so with my clients it's three to six months.

The beginning sessions are all about going back to that one or one or two trauma memories where I feel the person got disconnected from source. So the moment where they felt that that they're not supported. Wow. That is so specific and intentional. And then the intentionality of really identifying the event or experience where the disconnect happened.

That's the focus. And then there's a, an entire three to six month window to really be held and supported in understanding excavation of the remnants of that trauma and integrating into what you had said, pre Sally Mae and post Sally Mae from that 2013 event. Exactly. Because I felt that for me in my therapy journey is that I'm not a fan of prolonged therapy actually.

My aim is to support my clients and allies to, to move into the space of complete self sourcing and being able to get into the flow of their intu intuition. Be so connected with source that they are. Living a life of joy and peace and ease. And so for me that's, that is the empowerment piece, that they are ultimately their own healer.

And all I'm here to do is just support their higher self coming through the channel and reflecting back to them and having a container where they're able to WhatsApp me or signal me at any time during the three to six months, I didn't always have that. And there were days where I maybe needed support, but I didn't have a session maybe lined up until the week after.

And so I find that when it's really focused for three to six months, then individuals like they can feel not only safe, but encouraged to have things come up. Sure. Because they know there's a container for that. And so it encourages the material to come forward. Sally Mae, I wanna come back to your integration because you had shared that's really when the memories came forward.

What do you think it was about working with your teacher and master and that integration period for you that what we're looking back now, what were the elements of that integration container that allowed the safety of all of these memories to integrate and metabolize and come through?

Yes. So one, I believe it was his own self-work and his depth because I I'm very particular, and I'm sure many people on the call can also resonate with, I'm very particular on who I work with. And I have to know that they're gonna hold a certain level. That's why I, I had a very strong Yes to working with you too in 2018.

Is that I. I felt that this work is so deep and that I needed to really because trust was broken for me at a young age, which is like the main thing with sexual trauma. And so I really needed to understand that no matter how deep I was going to go, that this person had maybe even gone beyond and was going to be able to hold the anchor for me.

And so a number one, it was his own presence and his own work. Second, I would say that it was spaciousness. I was at the end of my master's program. I was in San Francisco after that. After that 30 day retreat in Guatemala, I actually came back and I was in a very dissociative and in a psychosis actually.

And so this is why I also. Think with my clients is that, I'm there with you in case anything like that does happen, it doesn't often. But it could, bring bring some of those pieces out. And so I was in between realms for four to six months.

After discovering my trauma and I it was with different, actually allies that I was able to integrate. So not only was I connecting in with my mentor and sharing with him I has, I had an amazing partner at that time who's also holding space. I stepped away from my master's from some time.

I was not really working. I spent a lot of time in nature. Had several like deep entry points with LSD. Actually at that time. And and then came back to Ayahuasca after the six month period and so started integrating more in ceremonies, actually. I see. And there was a lot of spaciousness that I needed at that time.

And I felt that was very important just to let myself be with whatever was coming up. Yeah you're touching on really important themes again. So it sounds like the depth of work of your master was a key, the spaciousness that allowed for all of this material to come up and the flexibility you had.

The wisdom you had to take a pause with your masters and not get distracted to spend time in nature to receive the support of your partner. Like all of those things played a role and at the same time, it sounds and not to underestimate. The well of material that came up for you, that you went into psychosis, in the months following because it is so huge to address that break from our core.

Thank goodness that you had the wherewithal to know how to reach out and to support yourself during that period. And I'm sure it's just, it sounds like it's informed the way you're holding space for people's integration now. Ab Absolutely. Yeah. And I will add to that as well dear Rahi, that it was not it was de not A to B and it got very messy at times.

And so I always tell individuals like, what you're actually doing need to really look at it from a very deep, compassionate inquiry and space because. I bring a lot of the feminine energy and my teacher he would not call himself a master, and I just like laugh because he definitely had incredible presence, but he was very much about not being, not having gurus or not having any kind of he really instilled that self-responsibility and self-empowerment in the people that he was working with.

And so I do the same. I'm like, please do not believe anything I say. This is between you and your work and between the plant medicine that you choose to connect with. And so I wanted to surface that and to say that it did get messy at times and that's why I really am gentle with my clients and we really tune in to what is the next best step. And it doesn't have to be this massive annihilation. It can be. It can be. It can be titrated. Yeah. Yeah. I love that. I love that you're sharing that, that it can be messy. I think it, it almost needs to have space to be messy, because it's re we're really coming out of our kind of rational mind in order to address the unknown and what's been often buried for decades.

And it really relies on a surrender of trust, not only to the guidance and wisdom of the plant medicine, but really your own higher consciousness to know and guide this healing journey. You mentioned a moment ago how part of your integration involved LSD and returning to Ayahuasca?

I'm wondering, Salima, if you can illuminate for us what you notice as being particular, what, which medicines that you notice being particularly helpful and supportive in addressing, what kinds of issues of embodiment or being disconnected from the body. I mentioned to you that one of my teachers recommends using 0.5 to 0.8 of psilocybin for clients who are, have a lot of mental engagement during sessions.

That it really lowers the volume where there's just an enhancement and presence in embodied sensations for our audience members. What have you recognized which medicines for what issues and how? Yeah, great question. Again, and now when I work with clients right away, when we start the, when we open up the sacred container if they're not already working with psilocybin that's definitely the first point of entry that I welcome them to step into.

And so very small microdose. And as we start talking about their family of origin, just as you do with clients and start to excavate the layers of blocks of where they're not really feeling themselves and where they're leaving themselves, and what happened in those early years in vitro and up to age five the psilocybin really calms their nervous system.

And like you said, just, just takes the mental. Just calms the mind. Quiets the mind. And what I notice is that they start to have that feeling of holding for themselves. And insights just naturally start to happen. And some of them slow down, some of them get more energy.

Some of them if triggers come up, they're actually able to cry. I have clients that haven't ever been able to cry, so it's so beautiful with psilocybin to start that process before they come to meet aa. And I wish, again, someone, it's like all the things that we didn't receive, I, we now share with our clients.

Yeah. And so then they come into ia. And my IA ceremonies, the way that the medicine comes through and has guided me is that it's a five to six hour journey. It's very focused. And sometimes I even bring in a bit of the psilocybin medicine. Because what that does is that it actually creates clarity for the individual.

And they're, and we do gestalt work while they're in medicine. Wow. And so every cup almost is every, is a chapter. So maybe the first cup is about something that happened maybe with their mother or father, and they never got to speak it. Maybe there's a forgiveness piece, maybe there's anger. The second cup can be something as far as their own empowerment.

So they'll either get up and have a primal scream. It's very somatic that way. And there's a lot of work that starts to happen with their body. So if there's anything stuck in sacral if there's anything that needs to be released through the throat. And so it's not a usual ayahuasca ceremony at all, but what I received is that the medicine is being wasted in some cases because people keep going back and drinking and they're actually not doing like the work that that can really liberate them.

Yes. Yeah, that's incredible. Sime the intentionality with every cup, and using Gestalt or other somatic embodiment practices to really get at what the medicine knows is there, it's like you're working in concert with the medicine, to therapeutically support this purging of what's done.

That's incredible. And then, there, there are a lot of medicines that I haven't experienced, like Sassafras and some Pedro, and there's so many. Have you noticed when it comes to embodiment and I'll say embodiment in general, because that encompasses sexual embodiment when you're guiding people to return to their bodies are there other medicines that you feel like are particularly helpful in that journey?

Yes. Yes, definitely. Yeah. Thanks for bringing us back to that piece, because for me right now, psilocybin and IA are the main ones that I work with. However, I have immense amount of respect for cannabis, and I'll refer to the medicine in its sacred name of Santa Maria. And I, for me, truly cannabis has been a tantric teacher.

Wow. And yes, and not only has it been a devotional medicine for me in regards to dance yoga, any sort of stretching and movement and breath work. But it also has been incredible for hiking. So being in nature or swimming or going into the float tanks. And also with sexual intimacy with a partner, because it, yeah.

It's incredible in how it, at least for me, brings me into the body and starts to show me areas where maybe I'm holding tension or I'm not breathing deep enough. And so I have to give a, incredible honoring and respect for cannabis in this way. And I know that we're right at the tip of the iceberg in regards to cannabis and how this medicine's being utilized because there's just so much there.

And, cannabis actually came to me, like the spirit of cannabis came to me in 2000 and. 15, and I had a very strong meditation with it. I wasn't ingesting. But it, the spirit came through and said that it was being a abused, misunderstood, misused and even prostituted. And so there is a shift that's happening I feel collectively in the way that we engage with this medicine.

And I really do feel it's also an enlightenment tool, just like the other medicines are in that it creates so much understanding of the thoughts. And that a huge purge can happen. We're able to come into the body because I find, and maybe you can relate to this, is that if there are a lot of thoughts, I'm not embodied.

Yeah. Yeah. I can relate to that and I can attest that is a challenge for a lot of clients when they're on the table is that, is whether it's hyper vigilance or because they've been rewarded by, they've, we've been rewarded professionally by being super analytical or whatever it is.

Or, they're just not feeling at home yet in their bodies. There is a lot of mental activity. I think that's the culture we live in. A reflection of that. And I, Santa Maria can really aid in that. It's interesting you say that, Sally Mae, because. I recently interviewed a friend who's a leader in, I guess the world, but particularly in Europe, around supporting people to get really in touch and inhabit their cervixes.

And she also shared that cannabis was the medicine that taught her so much about to, about how to develop this. It's almost like the Santa Maria guided her. To the teachings. She is now teaching others around how to disarm the cervix and to develop an intimate connection with the cervix and heart.

Already in our dialogue, I think listeners can pick up the important role of set and setting. And I just want to touch upon this because I don't want listeners to think, oh, they can just go out and, try psilocybin or ayahuasca or, like the intentionality and conscientiousness with which you are holding space.

And really being so intentional in honoring the medicine and the role and the reverence for the wisdom of the medicine. I think people are hearing in how you're speaking. I wanna be responsible to listeners and just underscore the role that set and setting plays in how the medicine affects us.

Yes, absolutely. And I'll share a little bit with the listeners around my experience with you and how how potent that was on my journey of sexual empowerment and embodiment because as I shared with you I needed several years to even be ready for the sexual work. And so I, it was again through a wonderful dear friend of mine who I was assisting actually in their ceremonies in California.

And she had worked with you and she recommended. So it was, again, through the guidance of the medicine through another friend that I got connected to you. And at that time I knew that I had anxiety in still in my body. But. And I knew that some of the signs of like the symptom, I say the symptoms, but just some of the residue of the sexual trauma, which was, like you said, an inability to fully be safe and fully land in my body. And of course, like not being able to connect with abundance, which is the root chakra. In the way that I really, knew was possible for me. And I came with those intentions and I, I remember I was definitely not as calm or as grounded as I am now, and there's still so much work to be done there, but and even sexual intimacy to be able to trust and to stay in a relationship long term.

I had gone from incredible partners, but there was a bit of a, there was a moment where I was too scared to go to the next. Phase. And not trusting the person. And of course these patterns, I could see them, but I knew I had to go to the next layer of the healing. And so when I talk about setting, when we connected and I came into your space and just felt the energy, being so sensitive and just the way that you.

I just have so much respect for you, Rahi. I have to, I wish I said this from the very beginning, and just the kind of work that you do and the space that you hold for individuals and just the person that you are in the world. I feel that, integrity doesn't just end in the medicine space or in our, in the somatic space.

It's who we are every day. Whether it's the lady at the cashier in the grocery store, or our partner or a mother, it's like how am I showing up in integrity? I is my own life cleaned up. And so for that transmission to happen, I take this very seriously and of course I'm still learning.

But I had never felt trusting to let anyone come near me. And in our work, I didn't even know if it was gonna be possible. But there was an essence, like you said, the trust and surrender. And that like internal will that had been turned on for me through the work with Aya. And I was like, okay, no.

This is a yes. And so just the layers and layers that took place in, in our, what I call it was a ceremony. Our work was nothing short than a ayahuasca ceremony for me. It was seven hours long and. It we did primal screen together in your LA home. I asked, I said, is this okay?

Can we do this here? And you're like, I'll do it with you. And so just that level of camaraderie and allyship and witnessing. So I have to say that, talk about setting in the most sensitive way of being with people. Oh thank you for reflecting all of that back.

Yeah, that really does underscore how the facilitator or the space holder or the integration specialist is an integral part of that set and setting. And to your point, all of the experiences and intentionality and wisdom that they bring and the reverence for the process, for the healing process and the medicine that's all part of the set and setting and impacts the experience and how the medicine d meets us.

Oh I'm touched by all of your reflections, Sime. Thank you. Yeah, of course. You're, your I'd love to speak to what, what sounds like the journey that you've been on around non-duality and really about consciousness. I feel like what the medicines invite in us is a reconnection with universal consciousness.

And for me, I think part of that reconnection and embodiment of our, recognition of our universal consciousness involves our sexual life force energy. Can you speak to how your journey and how your involvement with psychedelics has led to awarenesses around the truth of non-dual of our non-dual kind of existence and the spiritual journey that this invites for clients or for anyone open.

Yeah, absolutely. I feel that for me from the very beginning this was a path towards awakening and a really deep commitment came along with that. Like you were saying, a reverence came along with that and my experiences, and I think everyone is perfect on the path that they're on and whether it's.

Healing the body or going through illness or wanting to have more intimacy or just mental health, like clearing mental health issues, whatever it is. I feel like we're perfect on the path and some of us are called to a, a different kind of inquiry. And so for me it was always about the big questions of why are we here?

What are we actually doing as humans on this planet? And, being so humbled by the Vedic lineages, the Buddhist lineages, and all these incredible, like the shaman practices of individuals who dedicated their lives and that we can like, pick up a book. I love my the book.

I am that it's the one that I go to, it's, one of the sacred texts that I continues to go back to. And, I feel that was an anchor point for me from the beginning, and the medicines have continued to reaffirm that. Speaking about different, I've had experiences with ketamine, with San Pedro, with five M-E-O-D-M-T, of course most of the medicines.

And with five MEO being able to feel the hand of God on my back. And I'm sure if listeners have experienced five MEO, DMT is something that's released in our bodies naturally when we die, when we are born, when when are pregnant, when we sleep. But doing times of dreaming. And being able to have a flood dose of DMT was like a, it was, it felt like I.

I was dying. And so in that space of connecting to death is like the closest point of surrender to God because you're letting go of this body and this paradigm of being in the dual. And so I remember I was just in prayer, pose my third eye to the ground and I was just crying unstoppable tears of the reverence of what this reality and what this life actually is.

And I keep going back to that point. No matter what's happening in my life, I come back to that point of singularity of the practice of non-attachment. Don't add meaning to anything. Don't increase the importance of anything and really come to the place of witnessing. And am I. Even truly witnessing myself and who is speaking in, in, in this moment.

And of course, I go back into duality. I think it's an incredible, people can hold the presence continuously. And it's a practice and I feel that it's important that we do this work again, if it resonates, because I really feel that the new earth paradigm or whatever we're stepping into as the new era with climate change and all the calamities that are potentially possible and are actually we're seeing is that we need to pull from the source energy.

That is not being filtered through the mind. Yeah. Yeah. I love the reference point. I'll just say the reference of our existence that you continually come back to. That's what's amazing to me about my psilocybin experiences is the very visceral, real awarenesses of that, of the non-dual state that is our existence and that is the truth of our nature.

It stays with me and I continue to be re reminded of it and I can continue to reference it. It's not like an experience that's just, come and gone, but it still lives in my consciousness. And, I would like to think in my somatic awareness, I really resonate with what you're sharing and really have reverence for the way you've experienced it and can articulate it.

'cause it's almost trying to articulate the non indescribable, just even it's ironic because in defining it with words, it's making a dual somehow and it's a non-dual experience. Yeah. And listeners, who have experienced that will understand that reference point as well.

To understand how accessible these states are with the aid of these medicines. It's mind blowing to me, and I know that's, you've been at the forefront of making it accessible. Whether it was Santa Maria years ago, or psilocybin now, or really all psychedelics. I feel remiss if I didn't ask you, because I know you've been at the forefront of political advocacy and education around making all of these plant medicines available.

I, I think it's inevitable that all the data that's coming out by medical institutions and I feel like it's entered mainstream consciousness. I'm seeing like movies and TV shows making reference to, magic mushrooms and so forth. I feel like therapy and counseling, like I said, inevitable that it's, the benefits are just going to become known and mainstream knowledge for everyone.

Is that how you see it, or do you see other kind of o obstacles politically and so forth? Yeah, for me, right now, there's. So much trust and surrender in life that I really feel that really whatever is happening is perfect. And that's a, interesting place to sit with because I'm not blind to the hardships and the challenges that humanity is facing.

And yet I do feel that. And I'm only, as one of my ayahuasca journeys showed me I'm just an aunt. We're all little ants work, but ants are strong. Yeah. We can work together. And and so in this process of coming into unity, consciousness, cleansing our own fears, beliefs, desires, and as my mentor would very much frame it this way as as traumas that we need to release then, and I feel more of our own light can come through and through this reflection of light, again, a new paradigm or a new existence can come through. But it really rests on, it comes back into self responsibility and how each of us is holding that. So I don't really go to the political as much.

I'm definitely more a proponent of, I would say he was like, continue to shine light on your own self-awareness and on your own enlightenment. And from there, let's see what happens. There's not even an attachment of doing, and this is like the non-duality states. There is no doing anymore.

I'm just being here with you and you're being here with me. There's no agenda, there's nothing to prove. We are just, really at this place of relaxation and ease and allowing, the natural source energy to come through. And I, that is where I, gravitate towards when I work with individuals and when I gather and when people have done the work.

And there's an understanding, it's almost like we don't even need words. And it's why you were attesting to, is that. It's hard to even put what we have access to as far as non-dual, non-dual states and experiencing them in this lifetime through medicines and psychedelics. And after a while, it's really just presence and silence.

And I'll also say this dear Rahi, is that I feel that humanity is at a, like many of us, at a bit of a crisis point. And we are it's a bit of a fork in the road. And we either, and when I saw this in one of my deepest I ayahuasca ceremonies where the medicine showed me massive amounts of death on the planet and the calamities of earthquakes and tsunamis, and again, I'm, there's no meaning to it.

I'm not attached to it, but I just thought interesting that the medicines is showing this to me and. And in that journey, I got three pieces of guidance. One that enlightened is survival and survival is enlightenment. And my sense is that in order for us to really continue to live and be able to be in harmony with ourselves, each other and the planet and our surroundings, there has to be a new level of awakening that has to come through.

The second piece was that there will be a time where it won't even matter what car we drive, where, what, how much money we're making. All of that status is gonna just dissolve because the only thing that's gonna keep us anchored is our connection to God, spirit, love, whatever you wanna call it. And that the third piece is that we can be pulled into fear and that will actually.

Probably take us out, whether, and again we're immortal in the sense of being energy. But as far as like being, a human on a path of growth here on the planet, if we're not anchored in our truth and in our center and have done the work to be able to do that, we will go more towards fear and rather than love and truth and e equanimity.

So for me, it's wow, we have this incredible opportunity on the planet for awakening, and we are devoted to this. So what does that really, truly look like moving forward? And I love to hear your thoughts and feeling because you've de you feel, is coming through at this time. Collectively and personally. Yeah. You know what's coming up for me as you share this is the way you hold space for your clients in encouraging the self responsibility. Like you are part of the set and setting and you're really empowering clients through the medicines to do their own work, to find their own answers, to really be embodied in their own resource.

And, I think that is the best preparation for what is to come, as you said, like all of these kind of external. Kind of material structures are going to fall, they're gonna fall away. It's not sustainable. Like our planet's not sustainable, in America we have so many, the healthcare system's not sustainable.

There's so many things that are not sustainable. And the only thing that is a sustainable is our own resource and connection to our source. And it makes sense to me that is how you are holding space for your clients. Because whatever the timeline is that's the only, that's the most important thing that's gonna matter.

And those of us who are on the planet at this critical juncture, I believe. In some way chose to be here at this critical juncture. And so that is the invitation for us here. Now, we came here at this pivotal juncture to make certain choices to be of service in certain ways and to align with certain tr universal truths.

And so I think it's a very individual practice of discernment moment, up to moment of looking at the identities we've constructed to get our needs met, in whatever societal structure and how we can let go, how we need to let go of those identities because they're not gonna matter at a certain point.

And what's really gonna matter is all that's gonna matter. And what I love about plant medicines and psychedelics is it really teaches us that in a very visceral, real awakened way. And I'm always curious of how I can support clients in, ways that really resonate with their truth.

And that's why I am just fascinated by all of the potential benefits and synergistic alignments that psychedelics can bring to somatic sex, sexual embodiment and education. Yeah. But beautifully said. Absolutely. And I feel that I thank you. And I feel that the next wave of the healing that's going to come, because, cannabis was the first wave and it really allowed for support and a new kind of discussion and engagement with health and on wellbeing and understanding our body.

And it shattered the medical system in, in some ways, cancer pro for cannabis, for cancer protocols, for ms, for Alzheimer's. It's just the list. Continues to go on. Then psilocybin came in and, ayahuasca has been there and of course continues to move globally. And I also feel the next wave that you've been on the front lines of is the sexual somatic healing.

Because right now a lot of, my clients are working with desires and fears. And at the root of fears, as is death. And our root is our connection to ourself and our planet. And so I feel that a lot of people are going to, 'cause we don't. Like right now, psychedelics are definitely more talked about, and like you said, they're in the mainstream, but when was the last time that we sat at a table and maybe within our circles, this is very common, but where we actually say like, how is your sexual health?

Are you connected with your sexual energy in this moment? And what are you doing to ground it? What are you doing to work with it? What are you doing to, yes. Activate different energy centers, that discussion is not in the mainstream yet. So I feel like the next wave is gonna be sexual somatic healing, and then also frequency healing.

So a lot of work with electromagnetic parts of the body and magnet therapy, alkaline ways, and the more we clean our bodies to the highest frequency, I feel then we're going to be able to take care of our earth. In that same way, because if we're toxic of course our reflection is gonna be toxic.

Yes. Yes. Yeah. That's a call to everyone listening to bring these conversations to your families and to the dinner table tonight. How is your sexual frequency, mother and father, and sister and brother, and Yeah. Let's do that today. Let's do that as a collective audience. But it's so true. It's so true.

I feel like our sexual life force is our life force. That's why I really resonate with DAOs teachings that don't even distinguish sexual energy from life force energy. It's our vibrancy and it speaks to our frequency, our intuition, our creativity, our inner knowing. Salima, I feel like there's, there, there are more tangents we can start to, to ride the waves on.

But at this juncture, I'm gonna thank you for being who you are for holding such an incredible space not only for your clients and for your communities and tribes, but really for education awareness and for accessibility, to these psychedelics and plant medicines. I know it's been a passion and a purpose for you for a long time.

And PI mean, end of life, psilocybin accessibility. Wow. That's just an incredible, the new neural pathways that are available at that juncture. When people need it, it's wow. The work you do is incredible and the way the light comes through you is incredible. And I just really bow to you and thank you so much for being here.

Oh, right back at you. Thank you so much. Deep out you too. When I came and had the two ceremonies with you, I'll never forget I went back to Vancouver and every single one of my friends were like, what is so different about you? You are so vibrant. You're you're shining, you're glowing.

And I went to each one of them and I was like, you won't believe what I did. And for me it was an incredible act of courage. And so thank you so much for, your space holding and the, it's nothing short of alchemy that happens in, in your curation and as you're teaching others.

And as we're learning more and more in this regard, I I look forward to having, yeah. More times of connection and discussion. Thank you for your. Devotion. I keep saying that, but your commitment and your devotion to the path and yeah. We're all in this together. So it's it's an exciting time.

It's a blessed time and I'm so grateful for the medicines and really will do, yeah. What I can to decrease the suffering. Or help support others in their suffering because yeah, it's not necessary. We we can, our birthright, I feel as humans is to live a healthy and happy and joyous life with others.

Every being on this planet deserves that. So yes, holding that well strong. So for our listeners, I will have Sally May's website link vibrant life counseling.com, as well as the psychedelic association.net for people to learn more. And Sally, may I look forward to seeing you in Costa Rica. Absolutely.

Can't wave Rahi. Have a great rest of your day.

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