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Andre Lazarus is a somatic, a sex and intimacy coach, a sexual surrogate and sacred intimate. He shares the distinctions in scope of practice, boundaries and common sexual issues. Resolved that he facilitates in each of these roles. It is a unique soul that's drawn to hold space for any one of these sexual healing modalities and an extraordinary life's purpose to develop a realm of expertise in all three.

I am really excited today to be inviting Andre Lazarus to the podcast. Andre is a very dynamic, special embodied human soul that I've been getting to know in this last year. I just think it's really special that he's on our planet doing the work, the sacred work that he's doing. Let me share a little bit about Andre.

He's a somatic intimacy guide, and within that encompasses so much. He comes from a family of healthcare practitioners and has always had a sense of service having served in the military and the Marines as a young man. And after a marriage and consensual non-monogamous relationships, Andre learned he has a natural gift for removing shame around sexual explorations, helping to open up sexual desires and healing old wounds around abuse and trauma.

He has since been certified as a somatica sex and intimacy coach, a sexual surrogate. As well as a sacred, intimate, and we'll get into all of these. And the distinctions. His journey of taking ownership of his own sexual power and authenticity involved his realization that he is multi sexual and serves to empower others, singles, couples to realize their authentic sexual truth and embodied sexual power.

Andrea, I'm so happy that you're here joining us today. I'm happy to be here. Rahi. Thank you for the beautiful introduction. What were some of the key influences either in challenges or breakthroughs or realizations that you feel like have informed your really embodying and owning your sexual truth today?

There's so many moments, just as you were asking that kind of two part question. So many moments in my life that I've found were pivotal in my discovery, and we could talk for like a, I don't know, a day or two just on the origin of me, so all of that. But I can do a quick.

Background, just where I came from and growing up younger I felt like I had a huge capacity in my heart for loving. Multiple people, multiple genders. And while when you're young and you're in those five to 7-year-old, like years, you have sometimes multiple girlfriends, multiple boyfriends, maybe both.

And there's this idea that parents say, oh yeah, it's a phase. It's something that you just do when you're that age and you grow out of that. And looking back now, I realize I don't think I ever grew out of that, and I feel it was such a big part of my earlier. Understanding of my capacity and understanding for connection and love.

So that's where it really started when I was like having all of these beautiful connections. And obviously when you're that young, you're not fully understanding what sexuality is and what that manifests but just being close to individuals wanting to share. Their experiences, share. My experiences with them started very young, and as I got older, in my teens, in my twenties, I was really starting to understand that it was just a fundamental part of who I wasn't a phase, it wasn't something that.

I felt like was not like instilled within me. And I think I fought it quite a bit actually. As I was dating, individual, mostly women, because as a young man, understanding. There was this possibility of loving multiple genders, multiple people, just wasn't something I was taught. It wasn't something we were taught in school.

And my parents, while they loved me, and they provided a landscape of understanding sexuality, understanding relationships, not really constricting me on what I could do or who I could see. But also their knowledge was limited on understanding open relationships, these different types of sexual orientations.

So a lot of it was self discovery. And my own education of where do I go from here? And honestly, I feel like I didn't have the. I didn't have the greatest role models when it came to relationships in my teens, in my twenties. It was the friends around you and in that I realized I had to go deeper into myself and into my own self-exploration because it, if no one else was gonna guide me, I had to guide myself fast forward now into my late thirties, almost 40 through these different trainings that you mentioned through mentorship through my beautiful consensual, non-monogamous relationship with my partner of nine years. That puts me where I am today and those, some of those pivotal moments were some deep shadow work.

Understanding the aspects of me that I needed, maybe some psychedelic help to fully comprehend. I still do go into those practices, but that's really how I. Have shaped where where I currently am through my own self knowledge, and then also the people around me that I've chosen to help guide me on my journey.

Beautiful. Beautiful. Yeah, it's so cool that you have really maintain that nature that you so reveled and loved and came so organic to you as a kid of just loving indiscriminately. It's like everybody comes in different genders and forms and you just had a love for everyone and it's so great that you were able to keep in contact and be in touch with that nature.

On your website, coming closer.com. In your bio, you share about a violation that happened when you were 19, and you described it as being fortunate or unfortunate. I'd love to know I'd why, how, why you describe it that way and what your journey was, because I'm guessing the journey to healing.

From that violation has really informed your sensitivity and understanding with clients because so many of our kind of mainstream population and certainly the clients we serve are healing from past traumas and specifically violations. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, I'm happy to share. And like to your question around like, when I say fortunate or unfortunate, why I use both?

Because in my body, in my understanding of consent of a healthy dynamic between one, two, or multiple individuals, there is a desire for safety, a desire for connection, a desire to be able to feel comfort in the physical, emotional, spiritual intimacy bond. Yes, and I say unfortunate because when. There is a violation as you mentioned and in my violation, I was I was raped for my first penetrative sexual experience by a woman that it's unfortunate that occurred for me or that occurred with anyone that I believe.

There's a place where with enough education, with enough knowledge around how to understand someone's sovereignty in their body that we can work to prevent and maybe might be very ideals of me, but eradicate, non-consensual acts such as this. But it happened, it was something that took place.

So that's what was unfortunate. I say fortunate because we were talking earlier about those pivotal moments in lot in my life. I feel like it spawned everything and every element of who I am today in my understanding of my own sexuality, of my understanding, of how I interact with my partner. With lovers, with clients.

And sometimes it takes moments of tragedy and moments of unfortunate events to really light a fire in our discovery of ourselves and that really ignited me and that's why I was fortunate because. I don't know where I would be today or how I would be possibly interacting with people if that didn't occur to me.

Yes, there might have been more moments in life where I would've had awakenings and possibly my own times where I could have been that perpetrator. Just from, again, the knowledge that were given specifically as men and how we interact with women. There's not really a lot of education around that, i, I could have been in more precarious situations myself, so that's why I say fortunate because it provided the landscape of learning and unlearning and really catapulted me into the work that I do today. Yes. That's beautiful. Yeah. Thank you for sharing all of that, Andre. It's really clear how it was unfortunate because it is traumatic to the body to be forced into something that it's non-consensual.

And it's really informed your journey since and the space that you're able to hold, the sensitivity that you do bring to, and really, it's a wisdom that the body. Could only have from experiencing something that, you can now have such compassion and empathy and understand how to hold space to resolve that in other bodies.

So let's get to I don't think I've ever met someone who's a Somatica practitioner. A sexual surrogate and a sacred intimate, it's quite the trifecta. I, for our audiences who don't know the distinctions of the three, I would love to, I have so many questions about all three.

Did becoming a somatica practitioner pique your curiosity about becoming a sexual surrogate? And then you realize, oh, I'm limited here, so I wanna be a sacred intimate first of all, let's, if you could just define for our listeners. Yeah. And distinguish like the parameters and differences of each of those three.

And then part two, if you can describe what led you to becoming trained in each. Sure. So I think I'll answer the second part first just to keep it, keep all of the pieces together in my mind. Cool. And as you said, we could have an entire podcast just speaking on one of these elements rather than, and happy to come back and dive deeper.

Yeah. I believe the sacred, intimate work has been and. At least as right now in my mind, will always be the most sacred piece and the most important aspect of the work that I do, and also the work that I've been doing the longest. I was doing that work before it was actually work, before I was actually getting paid for this work.

So during that journey in this. Sacred intimacy, this bonding that I was having with lovers friends and now, with clients as well. I was wanting just more knowledge around ways to. Interact with individuals and different therapeutic modalities. And a friend turned me on to the Somatica Institute which is where I received my certification for Somatica informed coaching.

And during that time while I was in Somatica, someone mentioned. Surrogate partner therapy. So I actually didn't know much about surrogate partner therapy until I was, almost finished with my time at Somatica. And then as I was, and this will go into the first part, and as I was thinking about the work that I do, realizing that.

Everyone is at a different point in their journey. Yes. And everyone's going to have a different comfort level on how deep they can or possibly will go with a practitioner. So that's why, as I was thinking about. Somatica like somatic coaching, my sacred intimate work, and then surrogate partner therapy, I realized they all have their unique offering.

Yet they all also coexist on the same realm of what is intimate connection to oneself and others. So that is the journey. And then the difference in the three. So I'll start with somatic coaching. So somatic coaching can be done virtual, it can be in person, and these are sessions with a single individual, with couples, with, multiple.

People in a dynamic. I know we've mentioned single and couples, but there's a lot of open relationships that have many other definitions and also many other number of people. In that it's an embodied way somatic embodied embodied way of learning how to. Connect with one's intimacy to themselves.

And others and working through various goals that clients might be coming to me with. And it's a hands-on. It can be with consent. Hands-on experiential coaching while we will talk about things, we will also put them into practice. And I, as the practitioner might interact with the client or clients, or I might provide techniques and tools for those individuals to practice on themselves or with others as well.

With Somatica with, through that training, there are limitations in how far physically you can go with clients. Clothes will stay on, there's no kissing or touching of certain erogenous zones. Yes. Which include the genitalia, correct? Yes. Yes. Which has a beautiful place for. Certain clients who have boundaries on what they feel like they can go into with a practitioner.

Which is why I enjoy having that offering because it allows space for people to start their journey or go as far as they need to in order to help with their healing journey. That they're on with the limitations and bounds of what is that particular offering. And then I'll talk about surrogate partner therapy.

So I was trained through ipsa. And IPSA is based out of Los Angeles. And Dr. VNA Blanchard is the primary trainer for that offering and with surrogate partner therapy. There is a triadic relationship that occurs between the client, the therapist that the client is seeing, and then the surrogate partner who is, that's my position in the triad.

So with this. The client has to still be connected to and seeing their therapist while also seeing me as a surrogate partner. If for some reason the client no longer wants to see the therapist. Then we would have to pause our work together until they found another therapist to fill in the triangle.

And I see this is very much an in-person offering. In-person therapy. It's very much geared towards sex education, helping individuals work through certain dysfunctions. Shame trauma. And it's it's something I also hold near and dear to my heart when it comes to how I work with people.

And also fits in a certain realm for clients that feel comfortable going into a certain space. And in that space, it goes beyond the bounds of what would be somatic coaching. There is also still in my experience, certain limitations to where that work can go and all.

Also how often that work can happen. So that's where sacred intimacy comes in. And sacred intimacy is, yeah. Can I just ask you to specify what you what are those limitations? With sexual surrogacy work that you just alluded to? Yeah, so I feel with it's more the realm of what the work is and the certain clinical fashion that surrogate partner therapy is. So there's more of a structure to it, and also the individuals who would be seeking out surrogate partner therapy. Might not be, and I can go more into it when I talk about sacred intimacy. Might not be best suited for sacred intimate work because where they're at on their journey.

For instance, someone going to a surrogate partner might be someone who is a very late in life virgin, who also. Might have a lot of trauma around web partner might be something. Sir, picking up our conversation. It's a threesome. Yeah, I like that. Thank you Sirius. Yeah. So in that there's, certain individuals that I've worked with that have taken sometimes weeks, if not more than a couple months before they felt comfortable even allowing me the opportunity to touch them. Touch their shoulder, touch their hand, and their goal might be to get to a place where they can have a fully embodied penetrative experience with a partner or a future partner.

So obviously that's going to take a lot of time to get to that where that differs and where there's limitations is in sacred, intimate work, there's more place for individuals who have perhaps maybe a little bit stronger of a grasp on feeling comfort in touch, feeling comfort. Going into an intimate space because with my sacred intimate work, at least the way it's structured, these are full day overnight sessions, so also embodied similar to surrogate partner therapy. However, if I'm going to be working with someone for a day or a night, then. It wouldn't make sense and it wouldn't be the best to their best interest if they are still unable to even allow myself to like physically touch them, to spend time with me in that offering.

So that's why I found all three of these to be so beneficial because as I mentioned with people at varying levels of their journey. I also can provide my experience, my input on where I feel they might best be suited. While sacred intimacy is where I do most of my work there are individuals that are more suited for surrogate partner therapy.

There are individuals who are more suited for somatic coaching and eventually they might want to. Stretch or go deeper into what their limitations were, and then be able to go into varying levels. But generally, once a client is in a certain bucket of either being a surrogate partner client, a sacred intimate client, or a coaching client, most of the time that's where they'll stay.

There are times, where. A sacred, intimate client could move into what is coaching or a surrogate partner client over time might move into a sacred, intimate client, but generally they'll stay within those realms. Okay. Great. Yeah, thanks for that. Very clear distinction. You know what's really wonderful is you you're offering the full spectrum of, what a client may need and, from close on. But body-based, experiential experiences. So the body gets new imprints of what's possible, creating new stories in their body, all the way to sacred intimacy where, it can be full on fulfilling a fantasy or, there, there aren't that kind of limitations, so it's really a full spectrum. Yeah. But what's in common with all three is they're all somatic. They're all body-based. They're all about creating new imprints. Somatically so that it replaces the old stories, whether it's replacing old trauma patterns or creating new imprints of behaviors to empower them.

Yes. I wanna ask you, Andre in regards to sacred intimacy are there any boundaries or parameters that you have? Does it depend on the client? But how does that work as far? 'cause I'm sure people are wondering, wow. Yeah. It's a free for all, there's, this is great, but are there boundaries and parameters that you have?

Is it based on the client? And if you can describe your screening process. Sure if you know regarding your clients. Yeah. I'm happy to share that. First to answer your question, yes, there are boundaries. There are always going to be some form of boundary not just for the client, but also myself.

There are things that I feel very equipped and skilled at to provide, and then there will be things that someone might bring to me and I might suggest that there might be someone else more suited for them. In whatever their pursuit is. And I do that not to, push clients away or to ever judge what a client might be desiring.

But I also am aware that I'm a human being and I have my knowledge base. And when I feel as if someone might be in need of something more than I can offer, or looking for a certain skillset that I might not be masterful in, I feel very confident in being honest in that. So for instance. I might work, I often bring in Shaba kku to my work as a sacred intimate, and I also realize my limitations that I am not a skilled rigor in suspension.

So someone wanted to come to me and say, I want, I am desiring this very. Tightly held, nurturing, embodied experience of being fully wrapped in multiple rope suspended on high. I would say I have limitations in what I can offer you. And I know other individuals who might be better suited to provide this for you.

So that's just an example. But when it comes to screening I also want to make sure that the individual who I'm working with has a good grasp and understanding of what boundaries are. And can communicate to me that they understand. That there can be a yes and a no when it comes to the way that they would interact with someone else or me.

It's a fundamental vetting that I do because I want to make sure that this person understands that they have complete. And utter control in the experience that we will be going into. That even if in the experience I am called upon to be this dominant individual holding the space of a submissive who's surrendering to my will, and that is the desire in their healing journey.

I still want to make sure that they understand just how much power they have. Actually the ultimate power to say no, to stop something when they no longer feel safe or feel like they can fully understand what's happening to their body, to their psyche. I've been with a client who have a full blown psychedelic experience, completely unaltered with any substances.

I don't work with any substances in my work. But they still had a psychedelic experience. So I had to, rather than continue on in the journey that I was doing with them in a physical space, I had to switch my focus to grounding, to bringing them back. To a place where they felt safe in their body, where they felt like they were had control.

And while they found this psychedelic experience to be beautiful and they didn't want they didn't want to stop or to slow down. It was a judgment call for me to say this was something that was I wanted to make sure we were still on board on the same page. Vetting and screening is, essential with anyone I work with. And I feel very I feel very confident to say that I have turned down clients because what they were desiring was something that was outside the bounds of what I could offer, or that there might be someone else better suited to provide them that healing. That healing work.

Yeah, that's really clear. So what I'm hearing, Andre, is that not only do you wanna make sure that your skills and services are aligned to meet their intention and their desire, but you wanna also for your safety and for theirs, make sure that they have the capacity to really assert their voice and their boundaries and consent during a session.

Absolutely. You've shared your intake form with me and it's incredibly thorough. And it's. It's really fascinating and fun. It's a great questionnaire for every, for anyone to go through, to like really inquire about their deepest desire, about their deepest the curiosity and explorations.

But yeah, within that you have a really clear picture of what their intention is and what their capacity is and what they're looking for. I want to thank you for saying that. Yeah. No, it was, I was very impressed. It was really cool. I also wanna say Rahi, that you also I'm a constant student.

I am always learning. I'm always trying to understand ways to better. Connect with individuals in this work and you provided some really great feedback in that form, which I have gone ahead and actually modified certain questions in that form. So thank you for your help and, I share that so people understand that this isn't something that I just, I have a blueprint of what I do with every client, and it's this methodical, phased approach.

It is unique to everyone that I work with, and I am always. Re-looking at the way that I am working with someone to include the way that I'm gathering information. You are, you're a big part of that, so thank you for looking at that form. Oh yeah. You're so welcome. I was happy to do that. Yeah.

It's important that we support each other in this work for sure. Absolutely. Every client is so incredibly unique because every, every embodied souls. Sexual history is so unique. This may seem like a weird question, but I, I feel like so much of what we do is very, it's like dropping into the space of listening for what wants to happen like what's moving energetically.

And I wondered whether, people who are called to this work. It's such a unique calling. Apart from growing up in a family of healthcare practitioners, Andre, and your own personal journey, do you have a sense of past life, sacred, intimate, like that kind of a thing? Have you ever explored that because it is such a unique calling, sacred calling.

I think it's a, yeah. Yeah. It's an incredibly it's incredible honor and privilege, but it is such a sacred calling. Yeah. Yeah. I'm glad that you brought that up because the first, the short answer is not enough. I have not explored it enough, and it's something that I. Absolutely believe in.

It's something that I recall through Dream through more deepened psychedelic exploration, that there are many versions of me that came before me and perhaps are, living, alternate lives in my current present. And I have a sense that there is some aspect of. Healer protector.

That has been a part of my journey. And there's still a lot that I could. Probably go deeper into in that discovery and I just haven't had time or thought to go into that. But you're not the first person to ask that and which means that it might be that time for me to like really really go deep into that intentionally. Yeah, that would be really fascinating. And, I would I would like to presume even more insightful and empowering to really understand the lineage, whether it's cosmological or genealogical that. Like you're following a lineage of sacred sexual healers, and that's really powerful.

It goes back to, the time of Jesus and beyond. Totally. It was an ayahuasca experience for me in Peru that guided me to this path. And since then different psychedelic experiences have definitely. Shown glimpses of that powerful lineage that you know, that we are very privileged to, to follow.

Amazing. Andre, I wanted to ask you, 'cause I, I'm thinking listeners here are really, learning about being a sacred, intimate, sexual surrogacy somatica coach. I'm guessing some are wondering how do you navigate keeping your emotional boundaries? Yeah. It's probably a common question, but how do you navigate, keeping your emotional boundaries with clients and with your personal relationship. Yeah. Has it been a journey? Has it, is it pretty clear? Has it been clear from the beginning? Has it been like a navigation through the years? I can say, yeah. I'd say very as I think about it, it's been very clear for me in my journey.

Doesn't mean that it doesn't come with its challenges and times of understanding and questioning, but. The way that I describe it, and I'm also learning on how to best describe this. I tell my partner that I am, I speak much better in the language of body connection than I do with my words. I wouldn't say I'm the greatest wordsmith in the world.

That's definitely her her mantle. But the way that I. Connect with people the way that I just in general, but then how I am able to understand and vary the ways that I connect with my partner, vice lovers, vice clients, and being able to, in a way, compartmentalize those yes aspects of my life.

Yes. Has in a way felt. Quite natural to me. And I say that as humbly as I can, and still there's just an understanding of certain societal. Like views on what this work is. And also how we connect with whoever our primary partner is and who we connect, how we connect with lovers and the different like nuances in between all of that.

While I might have a. F understanding and a grasp on the way that I'm able to manage the way that I connect and feel emotion, and feel physical just physical adoration for varying levels of individuals. In some view, someone might see the way that I am or the way that I interact as.

N not fully, like understanding every aspect of what it's like to be someone who interacts with me. So while I might feel like I have a grasp on all of the different varying forms of my intimate connection, someone might see it as being uncaring or someone might see it as perhaps, not fully, fully allowing myself to let go into love, into connection. That in a way I'm holding back in order to make sure that I keep these components where they're at. So I, while I understand that piece, when I share that when I am with someone, whether it be my partner. A lover, a client, and this is why I'm always trying to find the best way to communicate this, but there is nothing else that exists in that moment except for that person. And when that moment concludes, I am able to shift my energy and focus to create. A new moment with someone else where they are the only person in that moment. And I feel like that's why I am so good at what I do. Yeah.

Because it's not a game for me. It's not a, it's not a performance. When I am connected to that person, whether it be in work or in life, everything else stops. And it's just them. I get that. I so get that. It feels to me like I'm reminded of what you described your experiences as a child really love.

You're like your nature is to love. And it sounds to me like your language is really around tactile sensate experiences. Of your whole body as well as intimate connection that is your language. It's like the music that you're here, that your body is here to play. And I can totally understand how the compartmentalization, it's almost like second nature.

It just happens. It's like you're, you, yes. Your being knows what the nature of this dynamic is, and it's not like you're holding back, you're fully present. But it's within this understanding of what the dynamic is is all about. Absolutely. And, but it's still sometimes tough for people to fully understand and comprehend and while I would say a younger version of myself felt a responsibility to explain or overexplain that that understanding so that people just, got it. I've also, just as I grow older, as I gain more wisdom from those around me, from my support network, I also realize it's not my responsibility that I can only provide as much information as I can, but it's not my job to convince anyone to. Understand or believe the words that are coming out of my mouth or the emotions that I'm feeling. And all that I can really do is believe in myself and hope that others will, that'll be okay. That the, they'll just, sure they'll take what I say as as my truth.

Yeah. While. That's why I say it's sometimes easier said than done to explain, but actually living it, actually feeling it, it comes very naturally to me. Awesome. Awesome. By the way, at, earlier when you were talking about the ChAARI. And the intricate, tying up that you do.

And I was really getting turned on, man, that, that sounds juicy. No I thank you for sharing that first. And yeah, it's, it is, it's a beautiful it's a beautiful element of what I put under the umbrella of bondage. I, I also, in my work specifically in sacred intimacy, I definitely work in the elements of the BDSM realm.

Bondage is a big one of that, and while shibari, kiku is only one way that you can, constrict someone's movement there's a lot. You don't even need it. You don't even need rope. You don't need a tool. These right here, your hands are enough to pin someone's arms against a wall, to allow them to feel what it's like to push against someone else, constricting them, but then when you're able to release and show them just how much power they have.

Can be a healing moment in itself. So you don't actually even need rope to create a really beautiful healing bondage experience. But shi is. An art. It's an art form. It's an art. It's gorgeous. Yeah. There's so many people around the world who are so talented in it. So I'm, that's a skillset that I'm continually growing and learning in and wanting to just understand more myself.

Cool. Cool. Field trip to Japan, man. Yeah. Yeah. Let's go. Yeah. Right on. Right on. Andre, lastly, I, I wanna ask you this, and it may seem like a a simple question, but I'd love your perspective because I feel like you really have such a evolved and positive view on our sexual natures and empowerment and embodiment.

What is your vision for a healthy sexual society?

Man, you just tossing up those easy questions there. I yeah. Yeah. It's a huge one. It's a huge one. Because you've touched on so much, 'cause we've this theme of breaking through our societal, parental religious conditioning has been a theme. Yeah.

And, certainly the heteronormative kind of, rigid structure of our society. That's a theme. But in your kind of ideal vision of a healthy sexual society I'm just curious what that would look like. Yeah, and I've thought about this and people have asked me similar questions and the first thing that comes to mind is a society.

That allows for each individual person to have Their own journey. Yes. Their own exploration. And I could go like super deep into that and where that could go, but just having compassion to know that what someone else is doing in their life. I might not fully understand and it might not make sense to me, but I'm gonna celebrate them and say, i'm glad that you are finding joy in your exploration. So that's what I envision. I envision where there we've removed this idea of judgment or shame around practices and that can, there is a, there's a gray area there, there are certain. Ways that individuals might be practicing certain desire or wants that might be or seem in like certain society, unhealthy or dangerous and just like anything in the world, there's, it's important to keep an eye on, on the way that we're interacting with people. But as long as you're not hurting anyone. And you are, you're being conscious of the exploring that you're doing then. Who's to say what is right or wrong?

So really honoring each embodied soul's unique and specific truth in however their sexuality wants to be explored and expressed in their body. Absolutely. Let's. Next to fishing and farming. Sexuality is the oldest profession in the history of what we know as human civilization.

Yes indeed. I'm glad you chose this rather than fishing or farming. Andre. Me too. I'm not really good at either of the others. Yeah, me neither. Me neither. It was a good option. Andre, thank you so much. For just sharing your experiences, for sharing yourself, and for most of all, sharing your purpose and your service in the world.

Andre Lazarus's website is coming closer.com and we'll have it in the links. And dude, this was great. Thank you so much. Thank you Rahi, and thank you for all the work that you do. And I know that we were interviewing me, but you're also someone who is providing such a beautiful healing space to so many, and you've been doing it longer than I have, so I, I definitely see you as a mentor in my work as well.

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