Welcome to your Body. Remembers pleasure. I'm your host, Rahi Chun. This podcast is devoted to sexual embodiment, intimacy, and the body's innate capacity to heal, feel, and remember pleasure. If something here resonates with you, you're welcome to explore more writings and resources@rahichun.com. And now let's begin.

 Today we invite Ka and Jesse back to the podcast. We interviewed them two years ago when they were retiring from teaching as faculty at the Institute for the Study of Somatic Sex education, which they had co-created and co-founded.

Since then. They've been as prolific as ever, creating from a place of inner truism, curating their life's work into a magnificent resource site. Ecstatic belonging.com and the wonderful Intimacy Educator online course, Caffin Life Force. Now, Unbound and Unleashed is an inspiring example of what transmissions can serve our earth and community.

With greater and greater inner attunement. I am filled with love and joy as I have Kaf and Jesse. Back on the podcast they are the first guest to return, and I'll explain for so many good reasons why it's such a gift to have kahan back on the podcast. For those of you who've been listening to episodes you might recall, it was a little over two years ago that Catherine joined us and it happened to be the week of her retirement from the institute for the study of somatic sex education, which she co-created.

It's funny to refer to that as her retirement because she has been so prolific since then. Free to create and engage in all the ways that her life force is calling her. So I'll share a little bio of Kahan and then I'd love to explore all of the ways that her life force and her erotic curiosities have continued to create such prolific works.

Katherine Jesse is a queer elder, sacred, intimate teacher and writer who revels in the power and pleasures of the erotic. They are a renowned teacher of sex, intimacy, and healing trauma with pleasure. Encouraging Neuroplastic change to support sexual healing and expanded pleasure, unwinding sexual trauma, exploring the intersection of sex and spirit, which I love so much.

Creating erotic community are all core to their work and play. Chan offers an intimacy educator teaching in an online program on the art and science of sacred intimacy. They host regular office hours now, which is such a gift where you can meet, connect, and ask questions. They also offer a program on psychedelic medicine integration, Chan's.

Many books include love and death in a queer universe. Elements of intimacy. Sensual man, science for sexual happiness, which I have on my shelf and have written so many notes about intimacy educator teaching with touch elements of intimacy and pelvic pain clinic kahan. It's always wonderful to see you.

Thank you for returning to the podcast. Oh, Rahi, what an honor and a joy to have another conversation with you and yet to be. Invited back. That's a really thrilled thank you. Oh, you're so welcome. Thank you. Katherine, it's been a little over two years since our first interview and since then you have distilled your life's work into the Sacred Intimacy Online Training Program, as well as the new ecstatic belonging.com website, which has so many.

Resources your works videos, audios, blog posts a lot of it, w of which you are making available for free. You are now offering office hours. I know you've been really passionate about exploring psychedelic supported body work. I'd love to get into all of that, but first I wanna ask you, how has life.

How has life freed you up since stepping down from your position and it just feels like you are, it just feels like you're being, you're so prolific, you're doing exactly what you have always wanted to do. I do feel that a freedom to slow down and tend to my way of being and, yeah, let the, what wants to come through me, have space and time and yeah, just feel like more the whole of me can exist. I love career in teaching somatic sex education and my wonderful colleagues and students, and you know what? I could not have had a better.

More wonderful dream career. But yeah, just stepping down from that, being highly visible as a teacher and a spokesperson of a profession that is pretty edgy. And it, there's a cost as well as all the wonderful benefits. And part of that too was just being in that teacher role all the time instead of.

Peer connection, which is what's really calling me now and exciting me. Like I, I just want to grow that part of me that, what, can meet with peers and figure stuff out together. Co-creation was yeah, my real joy. Yeah I hear the the privilege as well as some of the barriers that being in a kind of exalted position came with for you.

And I hear that you really love the soul to soul connection of being met as equals, because I feel like that is really who you are about. Yeah. Yeah. It feels oh, I'm growing the truth of me like this. Like intimacy, this real curiosity about who each one is and how can we love each other. And which has always been my medicine.

In my practice and in my teaching. But it just gets to exist in a different, playing field now that I'm not, having the role and responsibility of the teacher and the, client practitioner dynamic, you always have that power dynamic. Not that we can erase power dynamics, but it's just like growing that part of me that dares to be in the vulnerable exchange.

And yes, and, not the, not knowing and yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It is required for a. Like pure peer connection. Yeah. Yeah. And I'm glad you're touching upon that because it is in the realm of the, not knowing that we expand, but both as erotic beings and as human beings. And I hear that the space and the freedom that you now have apart from the responsibilities, like I remember when I visited you, you shared with me like you like to have your mornings very spacious for these creative inspirations.

I know you have rituals with Beloved Earth, with nature, and you allow yourself to be inspired and have these kind of downloads happen. I'm curious, I feel like ecstatic belonging.com, where you've distilled your life's work, and even more so with the sacred intimacy.

Online course. I'm curious how this came through you with this spaciousness of your morning rituals of your just state of being. Did it, was it a download? Was it kind of something that evolved over time? Intimacy educator program, which yeah, I people wanna check that out. They can go to.

Right directly to intimacy educator.com. That's actually something that evolved over, 12 years of teaching and like I, I had people come to me to say, like, how can I learn to do what you do? There were. People that were working as sex workers, there were psychotherapists like people, these amazing humans from diverse modalities working in diverse modalities came and like found me and said teach me about this.

Teach me what you're doing. Yeah. And and so I developed this program and then. And then with the people that came, it kept growing and getting more complicated and it was actually my students that co-created with me and like many of them has become colleagues and friends and lovers.

And it's together we figured out what to we needed to do to grow. Like a more authentic intimacy and an erotic community. Which has been like the great joy of my life. So when I was retiring I was like, I feel like I don't have the spoons to go. And I used to travel and teach and put on these workshops several times a year here at home.

And I've taught it in Ireland and, elsewhere, but I was like, oh, I can't do that anymore. But I want to somehow put it, give it to the world and have it still exist. Because it, it feels precious, it's it's, help me find this way of being that it, where I do feel this sense of ecstatic belonging, like with other humans and with the earth, and I really thank, all the students that came and the yuck and the yum of teaching it all those years and astonishing challenges and gifts of each time I would teach it, it would always keep changing. I'm sure it will still keep changing, even as people have been going through the online program, I'm like, oh, I should, add this or change that. It's exciting that it's a, it's an evolving organism. That continues to reveal what it desires to be. And that's like our bodies are evolving organisms that continue to reveal. So it's like a micro a macrocosm. So it sounds like it was the training that evolved over 12 years, the in-person training that you have essentially translated into an online course.

Yes, that's right. And so that people can do it, like whether they're home alone or whether they're with a friend or working with a professional. Or working as a professional. It's like trying to resource. Yeah, I was really impressed with how. You have organized the material and framed it in a way so that it's really for anyone.

As you said, it could be a self-directed solo practice. It could be as a client who is working with a professional intimacy educator or sexological body worker. It could be someone who is, wants to explore and deepen their sex, their embodiment, intelligence with a trusted friend. And it's also for professionals who are working with clients.

So I love the icons that you came up with to illustrate the different ways the material can be absorbed. So I wanna read a little excerpt from the from the training. I was really blown away and so impressed with all that you. The essential gems that are necessary for a program like this, and yet how you've curated the best of, what I consider, so much of your life's work.

So this is from the online training. When we touch someone, we touch their whole history, their deepest wounds, their secret identity. Their healing powers and their most profound capacities for joy. Sacred intimacy is not rocket science, though it is neuroscience. We need to understand the neural learning zone, address the traumatic shaping we experience around the erotic and create space for and welcome, empowered choice and voice.

We need to understand about attachment wounds, navigate power dynamics. It's two relationship paradigms that inhibit loving connection. The lens of neurobiology helps us do this work in ways that are trauma aware, ethical, and deeply grounded. There is also a domain specific knowledge we need of sensual massage, of genital anatomy, genital massage, strokes, genital deaming, and the integration of science, sex, and spirit.

So I feel like in that kind of short. Few sentences you are naming all these essential ingredients that need to go into creating a safe container and a thorough container to address the whole person, the empowered choice and voice to understand our neural learning zone. Our window of tolerance and the is necessary to expand that window of tolerance, attachment wounds, power dynamics.

To be trauma aware. And then the actual practical sensory aliveness of re imprinting, new touch imprints with the erotic and with, for a lot of us, the genitalia. I'm curious, Kain, how, what, how is the process of distilling and curating this live organism that evolved over 12 years onto the online training platform?

It took me a couple of years. It wasn't, simple. But I had fun 'cause I had a binder and a box of all my course curriculum when I would teach these these workshops, six day workshops. And it's a a six module course. And so I had fun just like. Remembering teaching it and like, how do I translate that into an online environment?

When I did my master's degree curriculum design and online learning and ah, and I have had quite a bit of experience with that in the Institute for the Study of Somatic Sex Education. So I felt like I had some resource and around, like how curriculum design is like an erotic playground for me.

Like I love it. And also, it's hard to like, can you really do an intimacy and touch and thing online and so far people that have been, getting back to me have been finding it. Lighting up. Yes. New. Pathways and giving them new opportunities of ways to be with friends and lovers and and or even, yes, I just had someone that was already a, established somatic sex educator with a lot of training and experience that said, yeah, this is gonna be a great. For I'll keep coming back. And they really liked it. What's really great to me as I was going through the training material is how you invite the participants to reach out to you via email, and of course you have your office hours so you can really gauge.

Not only how they're digesting and being impacted by the course, but also it's almost I find it interesting teaching a course because you can gauge like what are the very common experiences or issues or. Challenges or breakthroughs that people are moving through when it comes to embodied sexuality?

I'm curious amongst the feedback you've had so far, have there been common themes emerge? Like for example, like people understanding the window of tolerance, which I think is so critical in sexual healing for people to know about, for a lot of people, like they were not aware of that and that I'm imagining would have a huge impact.

Yes. And sometimes it's very hard to manage that impact and like I wanna be really tender with people and offer like having that personal email exchange is important I think. And office hours because I just had an exchange with a student that's like when I learned about the window of tolerance and the.

I, I just realized like how I'd spent my whole life or much of my life, and then the whole of my sexual life in the red zone where, it's like the danger zone and I'm always in danger management mode and feeling that corrosive neurochemistry, that, where we're not resourced to have empowered choice and voice.

And so that's a tender. Recognition. Like when you start to understand, and I, I know for me, in my personal healing journey, I spent a lot of time in grief and grief about the what was, could never be or should have been, might have been.

And yeah. So that's part of what, how we walk each other home, part of. Whether it's connecting one-on-one with me or with another student in the program or with a trusted friend. It's a way to be with this tender material in a way that that is actually supporting.

I wanna underscore that. Speaking about and illustrating, you have a wonderful visual of the window of tolerance, using the metaphors of being in the green when you're feeling safe and secure, moving into the yellow when you're expanding your window of tolerance into the edge of feeling a. Arousal that is a nervous system.

Upregulation arousal, but feel still feeling safe or moving into hypo arousal, but still feeling present. And then if you move beyond that into the red, I feel like you know the way you've organized that education within the empowered choice and voice. Module really empowers people to understand when they're moving into red and to back off or titrate back into the green or titrating from the yellow into the green because you know what you, the example you shared before about your past experiences of moving into grief, if you.

Aren't aware of your window of tolerance and the neuro learning zone, you could easily just move into the red, whether it's grief or dissociation or, and just think that is what sex is. Yeah. Like life. Yeah. But yeah, to know. Like all the options and to like soothing strategies and like ways to get ourselves back into, but also not to avoid that learning zone.

The neural learning zone is always gonna be a place of stretch where some courage is required. You're not gonna feel safe. There's so much focus on safety, but like safety is, yes, we need safety as a place of refuge and like calmness and rest and, yes. We need safety and we need also bravery. We need, yes, the courageous reach into our neural learning zone. If we just stay safe we atrophy, we become more and more fragile. And yeah, so I, I really think it's quite empowering to start noticing throughout the day.

Yeah. Oh here I am getting like, into the hyper arousal or hypo arousal. The dissociation or. Frozenness or just like way too agitated to, to make an empowered choice. Or here I'm just like, I'm in that brave zone. And, how long can I stay here before I, it's too much or too little.

Yeah. And when it comes to, especially healing from trauma and sexual trauma or really any kind of physical trauma, I. Understanding that you're, that's where we really feel and start to embody a greater resilience is in that, in those learning zones. So to really know, it's almost like a meditation to be in the yellow, to know how far you can go and to build that resilience within your nervous system and metabolize, past on integrated charged energy from the nervous system.

Yeah. Yeah. And Rahi, I wanna honor how you have taught me in our visits, like I think, which has just happened since I retired, that we've had two, two visits and you've brought me such learning around, the actual somatic practices of that you've developed this body of work based on neuro effecti touch of like meeting, holding, supporting, having that somatic experience of partnering and letting the body find its place of oh, I can release now, I can dem now I can feel like.

This weave of I belong I, I can be here with the resource of that has been so transformative for me and important to. Integrate into whenever I do a retreat with someone or meet with friends I, I really wanna pay attention to that, so thank you for your teachings. Sure. Yeah. I find that the more a client's nervous system expands their capacity to yield.

Into receiving support and being held the more kind of courage it gives them to move into that neural ur learning zone of the yellow into those edges. And it can be a titration between these two areas. I wanna, there's so many cool pieces in addition to the neural learning zone, which I loved so much.

I love how you speak about the Outlaws journey. And how reclaiming our erotic nature is really living the, embracing the path of the outlaw. I'm curious how that concept came about, and I feel like you have been an outlaw in your whole life. Why did that piece feel important to include in the Sacred intimacy training?

I, it was actually first brought in by Medi dha, who's yes. It was one of my first students and then co-taught with me for a couple of years. And just as we were teaching and learning as we go, figuring it out what the heck we were doing. We were realizing sort of the epic quality of going from like start to finish of this program was like what he brought was the hero's journey.

And that's what I used for a while, but then I. I don't know, as like my thoughts and feelings about it developed I was feeling more, it's more like the outlaws journey and like this way of belonging that we have in our culture that is about outlawing what's bad and wrong has makes all of us like fraught with oh how, what do I have to do to belong? What rules do I have to follow? What roles do I have to play? And we're always in that danger management strategy. And of course, in my life, as a like queer person born, when homosexuality was outlawed, was a, as a, sex worker doing illegal work.

Because now I'm into psychedelic medicines. It's there's so many ways that I'm like in listening to my own chewing mechanism and what's right for me. I've just broken every. Law and offended gazillions of people. And inspired gazillions of people and given gazillions of people, students and listeners and participants of your trainings.

The permission as the example. Of someone who is non-normative and attunes to what her truth is, their truth is, and really relishes in that. I think you've been a beacon Kain at, on the I feel like these practices and this community of practice that, like these wonderful people like Medi and other people that.

Came to, to contribute all their beautiful gifts. Help me like trust that process of listen to the inner chewing mechanism and like what feels right to me, but also listen to the other guys inner chewing mechanism like, like in feeling and finding like my own. Then I can get curious, deeply curious about this unique one who are you? What is the truth of you? And that's true intimacy, right? Like when you can really yes. Be who you're, and then be interested in who is this other like completely different person, like whose values and visions and what feels right to them.

That's what I really. Want to be in relationship with Yes. From which emerges. Things like thanking the no. Like even when we disappoint each other, we can still choose relationship. We can, what is the right distance or rhythm for relationship like, and then just love can grow and feel like this sense of like certainty of belonging and instead of this. Always looking over our shoulders to see who's gonna put this away. Yeah. Yeah. There's so many wonderful things that I wanna touch on. I do feel like society and our conditioning, there is this kind of normative culture and it really, there is a pressure, I think, and that's in our DNA as a species to wanna belong in order to ensure our survival.

And yet it does often go against our inner truism. As you say, and it is that inner truism that brings and unleashes the aliveness, our life force. Yeah. As living vessels. As in as unique organisms. And it's a really just interesting dichotomy. And so I do think the outlaws journey and erotic.

Embodiment is a declaration of your inner truism, in whatever unique and interesting and undiscovered and unknown expressions and sensations it can elicit. And also that, that relational matrix in which. The truth of us can be wanted, listened to like to me, that's how we grow this true differentiation is to co-create a relational matrix in which, that differentiation is relished and delighted in. Yes. And that takes some practice and some knowledge and some like weird things like, like not just, you know what, like consent paradigm of be sure you say yes. But actually practicing thanking the no, or like feeling ourselves going into our patterns of overgiving or over taking and like making a course collection, making mistakes and then Yes. Still belonging and yes. All these sort of things we need actual. Practice of over time and that's like contradicting the dominant culture.

And all the ways that we've been like, all the understandings that we've embodied. Before, you know what I'm hearing you share, and correct me if I'm mistaken, but I feel like what you're describing, like the freedom and the spaciousness that you've been experiencing since your retirement.

Being taken off the pedestal. Yeah. And now having more peer-to-peer connection and exchanges allows that mutual being seen in the unknown, being seen in your mistakes, being seen in all of the humanness that we are. And I'm guessing that before retirement or those of us who are, largely practitioners, we get to witness.

That aligning with one's inner truism in our clients, but it's not necessarily reciprocated since we're holding that space. As a practitioner. Yes. I mean there's, it feels easier in a peer-to-peer of course, connection, but but actually I think my gifts as a teacher. Where that, I just was so messy. Like people would, think read my website and think I was great, but if they actually met me, they would just see me like being complete goof and making mistakes and like having to apologize.

And I used to ha, I had a song that I played about just oh, I've made a mistake and I used to. I would like in every workshop I'd teach, there'd be some time when I'd have to play that song and like just fall down and help me. And Uhhuh, they screwed that up. Students have said like just seeing me be like as messy and mistaken as I can be.

I usually. Have many times that it helped them build their good medicine. It just if she can do it, I can do better. Sure. Yeah. Yeah. That's. Totally awesome. That's really, I think why people love you so much 'cause they get to see you and you're a humanist and your realness.

I think that was a gift, kahan. It really broke, whatever facade, between you and your students and makes you so lovable. So I want listeners to have a chance to check out your course and the way you've organized your life's work on ecstatic belonging.com, and we'll have the site in the show notes where you have a blog, videos, audios, and of course the online course.

As well as information about retreats and your office hours. If you wanna check out Katherine's material, please check out the website. It's an incredible resource for so many reasons. To distill and curate your life's work onto one site is just amazing. I'm curious I think this has been an interest of yours for a while, but since retiring, I it feels like you've really.

Followed your natural inclination, love for Mother Earth and the plant world in your exploration of psychedelic supported body work. And I'm wondering if there's anything that wants to be spoken about your discoveries or about your experiences that, that may support listeners. I have a cautious cur curiosity.

And I feel like I'm in the act of ongoing exploration of how our understandings and practices as somatic sex educators can translate to the world of psychedelic medicine. And it's not necessarily the. Body work per se. Because I think like what we grow in our practices is a capacity for like really profound intimacy and like really being with transformative change in clients and like a willingness to be with that like the.

Most horrible wounds and the most profound capacity for joy, and to bring that good medicine into the psychedelic guiding space feels like extremely powerful. Also there's dangers, like there's real dangers. I recently did a webinar for the somatic Sex Educators Association on these issues, and it, I opened it with a story of a woman who had experienced like a real sort of feeling of consent violation and helplessness and yet another.

Way to like experience that abuse of the power dynamic and a sense of being assaulted and non-consensual touch. And, we, when we're in an altered state, how do we navigate consent? And what I think is really key is how do we create expansion, yes. Of our window of tolerance, but not outside of the capacity of the sober nervous system to integrate.

If you go too far, too fast as we've learned so often in our work in somatic sex education, like the person, like they can't integrate, like you wind up retraumatizing. And that is even more. So in this, when we bring in, of course, mind altering medicines but it feels like psychedelics that we're working with the same neurochemistry as we are in somatics education, that endogenous neurochemistry of like ecstasy and great radical openness and, but the way that they're currently used it feels like the world of psychedelic guides needs our understandings of how to go beyond the consent paradigm in terms of how to offer touch.

It's not just about is this okay with you, but I see. Yeah. Give, offering it a choice. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. Little like nuances and change of language that can change, like the whole paradigm of what you're exploring. Like really getting the power dynamics, really getting comfortable with erotic body and people have that so much. There's so much sexual trauma and there's so much like sexual power possibility. This has got to be part of any deep, like change or like healing. And like therapists or psychedelic guides, like they have no training and experience and like comfort and being with the whole human being, including the genitals.

And yeah. Anyway, I just feel like i've been exploring this in my personal life for a decade, and I feel like there's some magic here. And I'm not a teacher in the realm. I'm just like an explorer and I share some of my practices and thoughts and but just as like a goof that's exploring.

But in this webinar that I recently did. I did find people it included a lovely conversation with you about things we've explored and ways that you've started to explore integrating medicine into your practice. And then also some two psychedelic guides like that are trained as psychedelic guides and also as.

Somatic sex educators in the way that they work. Yeah. I'm just curious and I feel like it's good medicine, but what about you? Tell me about your I just wanna, I wanna respond by sharing that I hear the deep curiosity and I also hear the deep caution, the inquiry of how to stay within that window of tolerance.

With the aid of psychedelic, of plant medicines so that the receiver or the person on the journey is always within their empowered voice and choice and boundaries and consent. And that is the sweet spot of inviting new neural pathways, new somatic pathways to replace old. Somatic conditioning and have the participant be in full autonomy and agency.

And that is the sweet spot that I'm curious about and that I think has just unfathomable potential for healing. And I agree with you that most practitioners. Are not trained or aware of the subtleties of consent, it's not enough to ask, is this okay for someone used to fawning or people pleasing?

That's just gonna be an automatic yes. So to really know how to read the cues and to provide inviting the body to choose what is its inner truism, you're such a mentor with that. Say, you know how you work, the approach you have to, to working with people like. Taking a long time, working with one client a day, the genital Deaming program that you're offering now, you have the, I know from being with you, like you get it, like the pace of trust, how to work at the pace of trust.

And we add psychedelics. Sometimes there are no boundaries, like the window of tolerance expands like, whoa and then afterwards we go oh, whoops. If we're working with people, I think we need to work with people who are resourced enough to make a mistake and exceed and then still, feel okay to have recovery. And that is not everybody, just beginning a trauma healing journey that don't have the relational matrix to support them in. And yeah, I feel like what you're speaking to is what you cover in your course, which is reclaiming lost parts of the soul back.

There needs to be an understanding and enough resource to have that as an intention as opposed to just wanting to feel safe. This really is about reclaiming lost parts of the soul. Yeah, there needs to be enough resource to have that as an intention and to hold that as an intention. Yeah. And then when the lost part comes back and they're just, like not a very nice part and they're, all struggling and messy after their long journey, like of.

Away from home. We have to be able to like, oh, how are we gonna be with this lost part of my soul and honor it. Welcome at home. Yeah. Yeah. So that's what, that can be like in the moment of a psychedelic journey oh great, a lost part of me. But in the. Actual integration of living with that.

Messy. It can be a bit more challenging. Could be challenging and jarring. Yeah, for sure. For sure. Both the participant and the space holder. Having the awareness that is a possibility and how to navigate that more address in the practitioner client dynamic. Like I wanna resource people.

To grow like their personal relational matrix, rather than creating a dependency on the practitioner. I feel that's very important part of the work. Yeah. I just wanna say, I love how the power dynamics is covered in the course as well. You've really brought in, I think, the key gems, all the necessary pieces, of the puzzle in, in, in this one.

Course, which makes sense because it is a curation of your life's work. So yeah it's really, oh, you're so kind. And imagine you taking the time to look at it all. And I loved it. I loved it. I loved seeing how you've assembled, how you're guiding. Participants through this journey and you've got all the essentials and you've cut out, you've streamlined the process.

Kain for people to find you is the best way to go to ecstatic belonging.com. Yeah. Everything is there. Yeah, you can just. Go there and you'll find a way more than you wanna know. Yeah. Okay. And just to be clear the office hours that you offer, those are for participants of the Sacred Intimacy course, is that correct?

Oh, it's for anybody. Yeah. Oh my gosh, that's incredible. Okay. Yeah. So Cain's office hours you can find the information on ecstatic belonging.com and that's for anyone curious to, to connect with Kain and to explore their inner truism. Yeah, and I just, come on I don't prepare anything or except for a pot of tea and just like there to have a conversation and so far I've really enjoyed it.

Yeah, it's been really fun just to have conversations with whoever shows up and, yeah. And these are people from different parts of the world, so that must be ING as well. Yeah, that's, I tried to have like morning and evening on the Pacific Coast, which then last, if I do it in the evening, then.

Like the US people of Australia and that right part of the world can come. So that was fun. I really, I just want to take the opportunity to acknowledge what a beautiful soul you are, Kahan. What a honor and pleasure it's been to befriend you and to know you as a fellow outlaw on the path.

And and thank you so much for sharing your experiences with our audiences on the podcast. Oh, you're so kind and I just love you. Rahi.

How would it be for you to create a conscious, erotic community of your own amongst intimate friends, lovers and partners, or in peer-to-peer containers to explore connection, touch, and intimacy? Within a clearly defined container of consent and boundaries, as Kain has, imagine the discoveries of your body's erotic potential purpose, pleasure, authentic consent, and inner truism that could evolve from this.

You could even explore the boundary and consent exercises and sensual touch practices. Kain makes available on their site. And in their intimacy educator online course and concurrently sharing your discoveries and exploring questions with them during their office hours. Exploring the brave yellow zones of learning that feel edgy but safe, that feel expansive, new and enlivening, but also grounded to deepen your realm of embodiment and empowered choice and voice.

In relationship with yourself as well as with others. Notice how this invitation is landing in your body right now. Maybe edgy, but maybe safe.

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